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Subject: [DNA-R1B1C7] R1b1c7 in England
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:54:43 EDT


Here's a list of matches I found in Ysearch mainly (some in Sorenson) that
seem to match the NW Irish or R1b1c7 modal. All listed their origins in
England. Again, some may not truly be NW Irish. I basically pulled up everyone
with DYS 390 = 25, DYS 392 = 14, and DYS 389-2 = 29. That may have been too
broad a net to be sure at 12 markers. A few are so off modal I question
whether they are really NW Irish myself.

I find this list of English matches even more difficult to explain than
those in Scotland. How could someone named Blanchard in England be descended
from the NW Irish in historical times? The Blanchard donor can't believe it
either. This sample is also an M222+. The list goes on and on. Caverly,
Chandler, Cornwall, Cuthbert, Drake, Heathering, Maxwell, Sinor, Smithwhite, and
perhaps most improbably all of, Waddleworth.

I plugged each and every one of these names into the Surname Profiler.
Almost without exception each was from the northern reaches of England somewhere
near the Scottish border. There are a few obviously Celtic surnames among
them (Kelly, Mullins). Some were so rare there was no listing for them in the
1881 census (Sinor).

SMGF Ballard England
RNN7U Bartley UK
YBVQH Begley Cheshire, England
7S4FZ Bell England
NUKXT Blanchard England
QTA4H Calvert England
M4KNH Carter England
MN7UR Caverly UK
PPDJV Caverly Yorkshire, England
XVT5M Chandler England
8J624 Clarkson England
RSA7R Cornwell England
KKTXW Crawley England
SMGF Cuthbert England
HHRWR Curry Lancashire, England
S9YUX Dalton England
TQUMQ Drake Devon or Devonshire, England
UPY6Y English unk.
FWMXN Foyle Wiltshire, England
PZBYY Galyean SC
YHNGU Hargis England
TRTGD Heatherington Northumberland, England
HJKGJ Heron England
7ZSE7 Knowles Hull, Yorkshire, England
XG4VG Johnston Channel Island between England and Ireland
9N7WM Kelly UK
5BEE9 Kyle unk.
2T5UG Maddux U.S.
JE675 Maddox U.S.
84SDD Maxwell Lancashire, England
N5TSM Meredith UK
V7KUH Moore United Kingdom
ZFNX9 Moore United Kingdom
4E2V4 Mullins UK
9Y75A Mullins UK
Y78PM Pickup Lancashire, England
YGYQQ Richardson England
EK7CQ Short England
9EUBC Sinor unk.
7WEDR Sinor unk.
SMGF SMITHWHITE
SMGF Soord England
YGMX4 Thomas U.S.
VJG68 Trott England
NR5EV Vines Leicester, Leicestershire, England
F77ZX Washington unk.
7HKQY Ware England
SMGF WADDLEWORTH
QKDBH Wheeler Wiltshire, England
YX6H6 Whiteside England


I can buy into the Scottish matches being descended from Irish colonists at
Iona or some other similar explanation. Some have mentioned other Irish
monastic foundations elsewhere in Scotland. These I know nothing about. But
it's extremely difficult for me to imagine someone named Waddleworth in England
being descended from Nial 'of the Nine Hostages.' The Waddleworth DNA came
from the Sorenson database. The first 12 markers are a perfect match with NW
Irish DNA. If he'd tested at FTDNA they would have stuck a Nial pin on his Y
chromosome page after the first 12 markers.

This is all very strange and wonderful. But at the same time pretty hard to
grasp.


John







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