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From: "Sue Hedges" <>
Subject: Re: [DEV] PYDEHILL and PEADHILLE
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:01:52 -0000
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Dear Matt

Your advice has been invaluable, helping me to understand the information I
had obtained. You might like to know that I obtained these references from
FONS before they launched their website at http://www.theoriginalrecord.com/

Another question if I may please.

I have another reference - Pardon of Outlawry to (inter alia) John Pedehill
of Moremalerbe county Devon Husbandman in 1466.

I am stumped by Morelalerbe, any ideas?

Best wishes

Sue

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tompkins, M L.L. (Dr.)" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DEV] PYDEHILL and PEADHILLE


> The first two references are of doubtful value in locating John de
> Pydehille and William Peadhille geographically, Sue, but the third one is
> exactly what you want, I think.
>
> 1. The first reference just tells us that a youth called de Pydehille (a
> name which may or may not be related to Peadhill near Tiverton or the
> modern surname Peedell) was made an acolyte (a junior priest-in-training)
> in a ceremony held at south Moulton church in 1311. Bishops periodically
> held ceremonies like these as they progressed around their dioceses.
> Batches of acolytes would be ordained at each one and, while it is likely
> that many of them would have been local lads from the surrounding
> district, there is no certainty that some at least did not come from much
> further afield - indeed they could have come from anywhere in the diocese,
> or even outside it. Similarly, there is no particular reason why their
> subsequent careers should have been anywhere near South Moulton.
>
> 2. The second reference tells us that in 1376 a youth called Peadehille
> was ordained, probably as an acolyte, in a ceremony held at Cowick Priory,
> just outside Exeter. The same considerations apply, though, while we
> cannot be sure where the youth came from, it must be nevertheless be
> fairly likely that his surname derived from Peadhill outside Tiverton.
>
> 3. The 1404 assignment of dower is more useful. One of the Devon
> properties of the earl of Huntingdon which after his death were assigned
> to his widow as her dower was half a knight's fee at Peadhill outside
> Tiverton (appurtenant to his head manor of Barnstaple) which had recently
> been held by one Thomas Peadehill. This tells us that the place Peadhill
> had definitely given rise to a surname Peadhill, which was born by the
> owners of the property.
>
> Matt Tompkins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue Hedges [mailto:]
> Sent: 14 March 2011 17:30
> To: Tompkins, M L.L. (Dr.);
> Subject: Re: [DEV] PYDEHILL and PEADHILLE
>
> I have taken another look at my information and I have found a 3rd
> reference. I will quote the references I originally wrote about. These
> are
> translations from the Latin
>
> Register of Bishop Walter de Stapeldon of Exeter
> 18 December 1311
> Suthmoltone Church
> Orders celebrated in the parish church of Suthmoltone, Saturday, Ember Day
> in December; to wit, the 18th day of the same month, the year of the Lord
> 1311
> Acolytes
> John de Pydehille.
>
> Register of Bishop Thomas de Brantyngham of Exeter
> 8 March 1376
> Cowyke priory
> Orders celebrated by the Venerable Father and Lord in Christ, lord
> William,
> by the grace of God bishop of London, by authority of a commission of the
> lord made to him, in the priory of Cowyke, Saturday, Ember Day in the
> first
> week of Lent, to wit, 8 March, the year of the Lord as above (1375/6)
> Ordaines, the same day, to first tonsure:
> William Peadhille
>
> The 3rd reference I have just found refers to a document held at the PRO:
> C
> 137/45/65 -
> Assignment of Dower: Henry IV
> 22 September 1404
> Fremington
> Dower from the manor and borough of South Molton.
> ....................................
>>From the knight's fees of all the abovnamed manors, the following all held
> with others of the manor of Barnstaple :
> Peadhill, 1/2 (half) fee held by the heirs of Thomas Peadehill.
>
> If you would like a copy of the entire item I have, which runs to 2 and
> half
> pages I will scan these and send off List.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Sue
>
>
> The Guild of One Name Studies No. 3288
> HEDGES ONS and PEEDELL ONS
> www.Hedges-Study.org.uk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tompkins, M L.L. (Dr.)" <>
> To: "'Sue Hedges'" <>; <>
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [DEV] PYDEHILL and PEADHILLE
>
>
> It depends a bit on the nature of the connections to South Moulton and
> Cowick Priory. If for example these two names come from lists of
> institutions to parsonages and of ordinations to the priesthood,
> respectively, then they may not tell us much about the men's birthplaces
> or
> residences. Could you provide a little more detail?
>
> Matt Tompkins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On
> Behalf Of Sue Hedges
> Sent: 14 March 2011 16:17
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DEV] PYDEHILL and PEADHILLE
>
> I have received some very useful (fantastic) information regarding my
> query,
> thank you.
>
> Now I have another query. The information relating to Johannes de
> Pydehille
> refers to the parish church of Suthmoltone which I know is South Moulton.
> That relating to Willelmus Peadhille refers to Cowyke Priory - any ideas?
>
> Sue
> The Guild of One Name Studies No. 3288
> HEDGES ONS and PEEDELL ONS
> www.Hedges-Study.org.uk
>
>
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