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From: "Pat Zipf" <>
Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenau data about before church book era
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:37:00 -0400
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Hello to all on the List,

Just an observation as I read the conversation between Wendelin and
Kurt......What would we ever do without Wendelin on our List?? He is real
gem!!!! Such a wealth of information .....that he shares so willingly with
us. God bless you Wendelin and a big thank you for being there and helping
us all. You are the best!

Pat Zipf
Jamesburg NJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenau data about before church book era


> Kurt and/or Wendelin,
> Reading with interest your conversation on finding family information
> from towns records before there were church records available.
> These special contract books? Are they available for other towns?
> Is there a list of towns that would have contract books available?
> These contract and protocols books that you speak of perhaps contain
> information of land grants (fief) ? What other information would they
> contain?
> Where would one find the information if contract books existed for other
> towns?
> Perhaps like Oberkirch or surrounding towns. Perhaps I am way off here but
> I have never heard of these contract and protocols books that you are
> speaking
> of.
> Thanks.....Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt Erlemann" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:23 AM
> Subject: AW: [Ortenau] Ortenau data about before church book era
>
>
>> Hello Wendelin,
>>
>>> which town do you want to research?
>>>
>>> I think the best chances to find any information are in the protocols
>>> and contracts of Gengenbach (cloister and town) and Zell am
>> Harmersbach.
>>>
>>> For only few other towns are special contract books available before
>> the
>>> parish records starts (like Zunsweier 1709) so you must research
>>> documents of cloisters and dominations.
>>> If your ancestor received a fief (Lehen) of the cloister Gengenbach
>>> he should mentioned in the cloister protocols which start in 1580.
>>>
>>> Contract and protocol books have sometimes an index but if not it
>> needs
>>> hours to research such sources.
>>>
>>> If you know the domination (Geroldseck, Fürstenberg...) to which the
>>> town belonged then you can maybe other available sources.
>>
>> The towns I am mostly interested in are Gengenbach, Nordrach, Zell,
>> Biberach and Haslach. Are there any online files or do I have to go to
>> public archives like Freiburg or Karlsruhe?
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Kurt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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