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From: "Kathy Wells" <>
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter/good by all
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:15:31 -0500
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Carolyn,

Is this the Mayflower Stephen Hopkins?? If so we are cousins again!! And
if so, just wanted to be sure you knew he is a 'two-for'! Meaning you get
Mayflower Society and Jamestown both with him.

Also, I agree 100% with what you said. Each individual is as important as
the next, and those horse-thives are many times the more interesting. You
have to keep digging, and don't give up. I usually read everything that is
posted even if it doesn't pertain to my line. AND, I have found this all
extremely interesting!!! And (again), you never know when a clue might be
accidentally dropped which you can benefit from. I hope Ann does not give
up!

Kathy Wells.

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Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter/good by all

Ann, I think that, for me, part of the fascination with doing family
research is finding out some of those things that our families never knew or

never believed was important enough to tell us. When we identify the line
we
belong to, we can then begin to fill in those blank spots when we connect
with other people from the same line (who have stories), and from reading
histories of the area and the times our ancestors lived in. Like you, I'm
not interested in finding anyone "important" -- they're all important as
part
of the American journey, no matter when or how our ancestors got here --
so, as far as I'm concerned, a horse thief is as interesting as a wealthy
planter. And some of those notables had some colorful backgrounds! One of

my husband's ancestors, a man named Stephen Hopkins (who has books written
about him), was very nearly hanged for mutiny, but talked his way out of
it!
HA... (I like to remind my husband about this, from time to time,
whenever he's in the position of talking his own way out of some small
domestic
hanging! Those were some mighty powerful "smooth-talking" genes that were
clearly passed down from old Stephen Hopkins!)

It was quite a challenge to find a male Carter cousin to participate in
the DNA testing, because I had been under the impression that no direct male

Carter descendants existed in my line. Fortunately, digging deeper, but
forward rather than in the past, turned up a whole bunch of surviving sons;

they'd all moved from Tennessee to Arkansas and Missouri.

It was this search forward, with the mission of finding a DNA donor, that
helped me fill in some of those family stories I was talking about earlier.

The donor's wife had a written history of why that branch of the family
had moved in the first place, and some stories about what happened to some
of them during the Civil War. This, then, gave me a new perspective on my
own family. The beauty of this is that the donor and his family were total

strangers to me when they agreed to participate, and yet we've since shared

pictures, phone calls, and emails. Aside from the crucial information of
identifying our Carter line, their family history explained why a whole
batch of Carter sons left Tennessee in the first place: they were headed to

Seattle, to participate in the Gold Rush! They never made it that far,
though, due to dystentery and several deaths along the way. I never would
have
known any of this if I hadn't been searching for DNA. To me, this piece of

family history is far more interesting than being aligned with a notable
name.

The other benefit to the DNA study was that it helped me save some time!
I was especially interested in (and focusing on) three Carter lines, going
back and forth among which one might be mine. Only so I would know, not
having any preference of one over the other. The DNA results identified
which line I should research, and it was the one I'd originally thought was
the
most likely.

I'm sorry you think of us as being unfriendly. It's probably more like
being that proverbial dog with a bone; we dig in when we're on the trail of

something we think might be important, and chew on the few clues we have
until we get answers. By doing that, we sometimes set other conversations
aside as being unrelated to what we're looking for, but please don't let
that
stop you from sharing your own information or stories. I think we've all
learned that valuable clues to research can sometimes be found in the
smallest details: an unusual name, a visit to a particular location
(why???),
family folklore, etc. It's all important!

The DNA test wasn't a magic bullet; I still don't know who my earliest
ancestor's parents were, or where he fits into the now-identified line, but
I'm
determined to find out! I'm sure that tests will become more affordable,
over time, and there are sometimes "sales". For me, it was worth the cost,
but I certainly thought about it a few times before going forward. That's
a decision that each of us has to make, and if it isn't something that you
feel is currently important enough for you to participate in, then no one
is going to fault you for it!

I hope you'll continue to read our conversations -- there might be a hidden
clue for you somewhere, buried in the discussions -- and that you'll join
the other Carter lists too. You never know when or where you'll find an
important piece of information!

Best wishes and good luck.


Carolyn



In a message dated 8/14/2011 9:59:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

Well I have posted so many times and have been answered as if I was not
even on here.....I am a Carter from my g- grand father,but the dos not
matter
to you folks.I am 66 years old and will continue to search for my fathers
line.....have many stories from my g-uncle before he died,but never had the
time to research them....so my fault.You folks only seem to care what you
think and forget everyone else...is it because we do not have enough money
for DNA?I have never care where I or my ancester were or what they did or

how impoetant theyn were,only wanted to know if it could be Dad's
line....never knew much about his family....he never said much....only that
his
father was not a nice person.....my grandmother was different...Dad did
talk
alot about her..alto not much real info.
So I will leave your group thinking of you folks as unfriendly and none
caring about people whom you think are only looking for ancesters who were
great for one reason or another....me I can't change the past,nor do I want

to...I'll live with what ever ancester I come across and leave a record for

my grandchildren.
Thank you all.I have enjoyed reading most of the things you write.
Ann(Carter)Morris of WV

--- On Sun, 8/14/11, Holly Carter Dunlap Georgia
<> wrote:

> From: Holly Carter Dunlap Georgia <>
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
> To:
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 4:40 AM
>
>
> I've been doing more reading about John Carter of Watauga
> and I don't think he was the illegitimate son of John
> "Secretary" Carter as some researchers have suggested.
> That is, I don't think Kit # 19789 is the correct Y-DNA for
> Robert "King" Carter.
>
>
> I found this bit of information from 2009:
>
>
> http://www.enotes.com/topic/Haplogroup_E1b1b1a_(Y-DNA)
>
>
> "However, More recently, Tillmar et al. (2009) typed 147
> males from Somalia for 12 Y-STR loci, and observed that 77%
> (113/147) had typical E1b1b1a1b haplotypes. This is the
> highest frequency of E1b1b1a1b found in any single sample
> population."
>
>
> My current hypothesis is that John Carter of Watauga was
> the son of a *daughter* of Robert "King" Carter and a slave
> of African descent. That could be part of the
> explanation for why Rear Admiral/Brevet Major General Samuel
> P. Carter, a great-grandson of John Carter of Watauga,
> fought for the Union against his cousin Robert E. Lee.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Carter
>
>
> In other words, John Carter of Watauga was the illegitimate
> *nephew* (not son) of John "Secretary" Carter. So, for now,
> the correct Y-DNA for Robert "King" Carter remains a
> mystery.
>
>
>
>
> > From:
> > To:
> > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:48:30 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
> >
> >
> >
> > The only one I know of who even comes close is Kit #
> 19789 -- with No Matches -- who claims to be from John
> Carter of Watauga. Some say John Carter of Watauga was a
> grandson of Robert "King" Carter but Kit # 19789 has not
> made that claim. Kit # 19789 is Y-DNA Haplogroup "E1b1b1a1b"
> which is Jewish. According to Dick Zieman, "This may - or
> may not - be the correct DNA for King Carter"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:53:45 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
> > >
> > > I'm saying this from memory, so it may be wrong.
> But I thought one of the
> > > big groups on the Carter Cousins site claimed
> descent from King Carter. Do
> > > I misremember?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dale M Crawford
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Holly Carter Dunlap
> > > Georgia
> > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 2:12 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, their caution is probably
> justified. They have probably been
> > > burned many times. I think a lot of people *have*
> claimed to be kin to them
> > > just because they wanted to be kin to someone who
> was rich and famous. I
> > > expect a lot more false claims have been made
> than legitimate claims. The
> > > Robert "King" Carter line is probably one of the
> most incorrectly claimed
> > > Carter lines, if not *the* most incorrectly
> claimed line. I know I am
> > > skeptical when I see new researchers make the
> claim to be from that line and
> > > it's not even my line. From now on when I
> encounter someone who claims to
> > > be from that line, I'm going to send them to that
> website.
> > >
> > >
> > > I expect a maverick in their family will
> eventually show up and agree to be
> > > tested.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From:
> > > > To:
> > > > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:52:25 -0500
> > > > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Famous Carter's
> > > >
> > > > Holly and all,
> > > >
> > > > I contacted the Robert 'King' Carter group
> via that website back a few
> > > years
> > > > ago, asking them about their DNA markers.
> They were very rude, and acted
> > > > like I was trying to connect, just because
> he was apparently 'famous and
> > > > rich'! I couldn't care less what he WAS or
> what kind of 'special person'
> > > > they are trying to make him out to be. I
> just wanted to know their markers
> > > > and was hoping they would share them. At
> that time, they absolutely would
> > > > not share. You had to prove that you
> connected to him first, before they
> > > > would even talk!!! We didn't have many
> donors yet with our group, so
> > > > Bailey Carter didn't really match up with
> many at that time. So I was
> > > > basically just looking for the markers of
> anyone who could get further
> > > back
> > > > than I could.
> > > >
> > > > Don't know if they are willing to share now
> or not.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, kathy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Holly Carter Dunlap
> > > > Georgia
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:48 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Famous Carter's
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have another URL suggestion for the Blog:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Descendants of Robert "King" Carter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.robertkingcarter.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "This site is primarily to assist all Carter
> and allied family researchers
> > > > in finding information on their ancestors
> and to connect those families."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm still confused about the Robert "King"
> Carter line. As I understand
> > > it,
> > > > at one time it was thought that the Robert
> "King" Carter line (a.k.a. Gen.
> > > > Robert E. Lee's maternal line) and the Capt.
> Thomas Carter of Barford of
> > > > Lancaster (married to Katherine Dale) line
> were the same. I think the
> > > > current thought now is that they were two
> un-related Carter lines.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know the Capt. Thomas Carter of Barford of
> Lancaster line has been
> > > > established by Y-DNA testing: Haplogroup
> "R1b1" Group 2.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have information on the Y-DNA of
> the Robert "King" Carter
> > > line?
> > > > It seems every-other-month or so I encounter
> a new researcher who thinks
> > > > they are from this line. I expect most of
> them are not. But, as with the
> > > > Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico County,
> Virginia line, I think there is a
> > > good
> > > > chance that there are participants in the
> Carter Surname Y-DNA Project who
> > > > are from one of these famous Carter lines
> but don't know it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It seems a lot of people want to be kin to
> someone rich and/or famous. I
> > > > think there is a need for a central point
> where people can go to get
> > > > information on all the famous Carter lines.
> I think former President Jimmy
> > > > Carter should be on that list (Y-DNA
> Haplogroup "R1b1" Group 4) and also
> > > > entertainer June Carter-Cash (wife of Johnny
> Cash).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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