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From: Holly Carter Dunlap Georgia <>
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] five claims for Y-DNA of Giles Carter,Sr. ofHenrico Co., VA
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:36:42 -0400
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Yes, I learned about your Charles T. Carter from researcher Marty Restivo. Marty has done a lot of good work on his Carter line. It was the match with Hartwell Carter that convinced me that "J2" was a real possibility as the Y-DNA for Giles Carter. Prior to the match I had dismissed it as a fluke since "J2" is rare (only 3.5% in England).

But it is still not known how Hartwell Carter was related to Theodrick Carter.

I'm not sure that the Charles Carter in the first record below is your Charles Carter. It could be a different Charles Carter.

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1/11/1788:
Rezin Porter, of Albemarle Co, sold to Alen Burton, of Halifax Co, for 52 pds, 10 shillings, about 100 acres in Halifax Co, bounded by Hicko River, Hutchings Burton, Richard Arrington, widow Owens line.
Wit: Daniel Jones, Samuel Jones, Charles Carter, Hartwell Carter.
Recorded in Halifax Co, VA Deed Book 14, page 359.

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Reference MARRIAGE BONDS AND MINISTERS’ RETURNS OF HALIFAX COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1753 - 1800,
Complied by Catherine Lindsay Knorr:
10 September 1789,
William Richardson and Elizabeth Carter, dau. of Theodrick Carter, who consents.
Surety was Hartwell Carter.
Married by Rev. John Atkinson.

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> From:
> To:
> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:00:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] five claims for Y-DNA of Giles Carter, Sr. ofHenrico Co., VA
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> I had my cousin Bill Allen Carter tested Kit # 203158 May and got results back in June.
>
> We are a J2 subclan. Has not been posted to date.
>
> Julia
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> From: [] On Behalf Of Holly Carter Dunlap Georgia []
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> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] five claims for Y-DNA of Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico Co., VA
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> Kit # 205272 (Peyton F. Carter) was tested in the past few months and has not been posted to the Carter-Cousins website. (The Carter-Cousins website has not been updated since March 17, 2011.) All of the other Kits are posted on the Carter-Cousins website.
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> Since Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico County, Virginia is listed as one of their five "Carter Patriots", back in February I wrote to The Carter Society and asked them if they had information on the Y-DNA for Giles Carter. I was told that they did and was sent (by email) the info for Kit # 120155 "R1a". While reviewing the information from The Carter Society, I discovered that Kit # 120155 is a descendant of Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico County, Virginia but not by his direct paternal line. There was a Carter-Carter marriage in his tree and it was the wife in the Carter-Carter marriage who was known to be a descendant of Giles Carter. However, cousin marriages were common back then and it is possible that the husband in the Carter-Carter marriage was also a descendant of Giles Carter but the husband's line has not yet been identified back to Giles Carter. So, I consider "R1a" to be a strong possibility for the correct Y-DNA of Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico County, Virginia bu!
> t it is still speculation at this point. It is also possible that the husband and wife in the Carter-Carter marriage were from two different Carter lines.
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> Kit # 120155 "R1a" (that turned out to be a problem) was the only Y-DNA information that The Carter Society had for Giles Carter.
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> Regarding the "Q" part; back in February The Carter Society was claiming (on their website) that my ancestor, Thomas Carter, Sr. of Goochland County, Virginia (who is known to be Y-DNA Haplogroup "Q") was a son of Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico County, Virginia. They have since rescinded that claim and updated their website.
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> > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:57:49 -0400
> > From:
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] five claims for Y-DNA of Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico Co., VA
> >
> > Where did you get the information below?
> >
> > Is the Carter Society sharing the results of their DNA testing openly with
> > the other testers who have used carter.cousins and the DNA testing of
> > familytreedna.com?
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Holly Carter Dunlap Georgia <
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > So far there have been five different claims for the possible Y-DNA of
> > > Giles Carter, Sr. of Henrico County, Virginia:
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) The "Q" that I dispute. Multiple Kits in the project: Kit # 68099,
> > > Kit # 51877, Kit # 45059
> > >
> > >
> > > 2) Kit # 23874 "I1a" -- with No Matches
> > >
> > >
> > > 3) Peyton F. Carter Kit # 205272 "R1b1a2"
> > >
> > >
> > > 4) Kit # 120155 "R1a" - "broken" line reported by The Carter Society,
> > > suspected but not confirmed.
> > >
> > >
> > > 5) Kit # 24971 Hartwell Carter "J2" -- speculation on connection
> > >
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