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From: "Roberta Estes" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Different Miller Families in Montgomery County,
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:10:23 -0400
Morning Wayne, Merle and all,
Interestingly, Daniel owned a total of 140 acres in Randolph Township. In
1820 he sold 100 acres to son Jacob, but the deed was never filed. Daniel's
heirs filed it in 1826. Part of the condition of that sale was that he give
up his interest in the balance of the 40 acres which surely included the
Daniel Miller homeplace. I am still working to obtain the deeds to figure
out what happened to that land. Jacob owned his land at least as late as
1851 according to a plat map, and likely through his death in 1858. I'm
hopeful that either the deed where Daniel's heirs sold the balance of
Daniel's 40 acres or Jacob's land when sold would set forth something about
a cemetery. I know that didn't always happen, but maybe, just maybe, and if
it does, it likely confirms that Daniel and Elizabeth were actually buried
on their farm.
One other possibility, assuming that the Sugar Hill markers is incorrectly
placed, is that Daniel and wife were buried in the David Miller cemetery.
David was Daniel's brother.
In addition to Daniel and Elizabeth, in 1812, one of Daniel's sons died.
I'm hoping to discover for sure where Daniel lived in 1812. We have a deed
that shows a Daniel owning land in T3 R5 Section 34 which according to the
1810 tax records is in Jefferson Township, as was his brother David's land
which was on section 11. When Daniel sold this land in 1815 after
purchasing the land in Randolph Twp where he then lived until he died in
1822, he sold 149 acres to Michael Hoovler, and then he sold 1/2 acre to
This half acre sale is extremely interesting, because it has to be one of
two things, either land for a church or land for a cemetery.
Can anyone place either a church or a cemetery in this section of Jackson
On Behalf Of Wayne Webb
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [BRE] Different Miller Families in Montgomery County,
Merle & Roberta,
I solved the problem of where Elder Daniel Miller died and where I believe
he was buried. I told you Roberta and after doing some independent research
on your own (Elizabeth's estate) you came to the same conclusion. It is
nice to be vindicated.
Merle, Elder Daniel did not die on a visit to his sons Stephen's house near
West Alexandria. If you pull up a Google map and look at the juncture of
Diamond Mill Road and Farmersville-West Carrollton Road look at the
southwest corner. That is Jackson township.
Stephen did not live in Preble county. His second wife, however, was from
that area, actually further south, and thus this is why when Stephen died in
1851 his mortal remains were taken to the "other" Brower cemetery in Lanier
township, Preble county, Ohio. His estate runs on for many years and yes, I
have it. I also have his father Elder Daniel's estate. Stephen lived on
his home farm in Jackson township all his adult life.
Many years after his death a United Brethren church was built on Stephens
Jackson township property that in the late 1890s was sold to, supposedly,
the Presbyterians. That it was Presbyterian is doubtful as there is no
local history, several of my ancestors have lived in Jackson township since
the 1850s, of their ever having been a Presbyterian congregation. This
particular church at the time of the 3rd Great Awakening of the 1880s, which
also took place in the United Brethren church, became closer in theology and
teachings with the Methodist church. It eventually closed down in the 1920s
with the members moving their membership to the U. B. church in
The church that once stood on Stephen Miller's land, built years after his
death, was purchased in the late 1940s by a man and his wife. I spent an
afternoon with him in the early 1990s. He relates that the church in which
he and his family lived, was built with the ground floor half-way between a
basement and a standard above ground first floor. The second floor was tall
enough; this would have been where the parishioners worshipped, that he and
his children could play basketball in it in the winter. Which they did.
He took me where an associated small cemetery was about forty yards out his
back door. He stated that when he purchased the abandoned church there were
very few stones in it with a portion of them having been wooden markers.
Within twenty years there were none left standing to mark the spot where
they once were. The once upon a time church, later a residence, burnt down
in the 1970s and now has a medium sized brick home on it. The marble sills
of the windows, with burn marks, were still visible upon my visit and he
used several of them as planter stands. If I would have had my truck one of
them would have come home with me.
The operative here is that Elder Daniel Miller, as evidenced by items
contained within his estate, was not living in Preble county, he was living
on his own farm in Randolph township, Montgomery county, Ohio. At the time
of his death he was in the process of building a new chimney on the house
and was likely adding a new addition to his simple house. Apparently he was
adding either siding or an addition to his simple log cabin. I have a
suspicion that in the late 1810s, perhaps in 1820, he, Elder Daniel was
getting old and frail and perhaps his death was related to the epidemic that
took place in the region in the opening of the 1820s decade.
There has been a disservice done to "historians." If you read the chancery
court case and the associative deed for the sale of Elder Daniel's home
farm, it incorrectly gives the wrong Range for where the farm was located.
Those two aforementioned records state that this farm is to be found in the
southeast corner of Perry township. This is, roughly, where the Erbaugh
cemetery is. And no, this is not the Crull cemetery and how it ever
acquired this additional name is unknown. The Crull family never owned the
land and none of the family are interred there.
In tracing the individual who obtained the warrant for this land in Perry
township and researching the tax records in my collection, Elder Daniel
never owned any of this land and he definitely did not live there in the
1820s. Conversely, if you study the tax records in my collection you will
see exactly where Elder Daniel's land was. It was about a mile east of the
Happy Corner church and is easily noticeable on the 1870s Montgomery county,
Ohio atlas and on a Google map. The land was sold to a Hoffman, a local
non-land owner resident, as evidenced by these same tax records. When he
purchased the small farm it was his first land. He eventually moved over
into Butler township if I recall correctly.
Elder Daniel, and his wife Elizabeth 'Ulrich' Miller, lie interred on this
small farm, not over in Preble county. If there was anything to mark their
interment it was nothing other than a wooden grave marker. There are no
receipts within his estate, and I suspect in hers either, for a marker. It
is common for there to be such receipts. There is one in Stephen's estate
that on the reverse holds information that would be quite interesting to
that great Internet "borrower," Wayne Lucore.
Roberta, a descendant of Elder Daniel Miller, (admittedly a good researcher)
needed a "little" beating about the head and shoulders to understand there
was a problem with the history of him as known and splatted across the
Internet. She was willing to accept my premise as the tombstones over in
the Rose Hill cemetery raised the alarm belles for her. She immediately
noticed that something was not quite right.
And by the way, once it was pointed out that the accepted history as known
was incorrect, it really throws new light on the log cabin photograph of
Elder Miller's cabin in the Southern District of Ohio history book of 1920.
The caption under the photograph is wrong.
A. Wayne Webb
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Merle Rummel" <>
> Indeed Jeff, you're quite right. We have a similar situation I believe
> the gravestone of Daniel Miller (d 1822) whose stone is at Sugar Hill in
> Preble County. I'm in the process of trying to unravel that now.
> The answer given on Daniel Miller - at Sugar Hill (West Alexandria OH) -
> that he was visiting his son Stephen at the time of his death - Stephen
> lived there near West Alex.
> Elizabeth died later (1834), likely living with one of the other
> before their move to Elkhart Co IN. I have her death in Montgomery Co,
> burial in Randolph Co OH - which is incorrect, since Ohio has no Randolph
> Co. I wonder if this should be Randolph Co IN - which is the families
> moving northwest from Dayton - likely along the old Wayne Trace - going
> toward Ft Wayne, and on to Elkhart Co.IN. That would also mean that she
> did not die in Montgomery Co. Can you help me?...
> Merle C Rummel
> From: "Roberta Estes" <>
> Hi Merle,
> I can help you with the information about Elizabeth. I have her estate
> papers now. Just got them this week. She died in Randolph Township in
> Montgomery County, Ohio and it states so specifically in the estate
> She was living with Jacob I believe, based on the 1830 census and the fact
> that Jacob purchased most of his father's farm in 1820 before Daniel died
> 1822, according to a deed signed later by the siblings, after Daniel's
> death, stating that Daniel had failed to sign the deed in 1820. So
> Elizabeth was very likely still living on the old home place that Jacob
> family had taken over. Jacob still owned that land as late as 1851 (plat
> map) and I'm in the process of trying to figure out if there was a
> on that land when he sold it.
> Elizabeth died between January 25th when she wrote her will and October
> in 1832 when her estate was appraised. The papers weren't filed until
> but the appraisal date is very clear, and it says 1832. The estate was
> filed with the court until 1834, and it wasn't settled until 1849 when a
> chancery suit was filed. All was not roses for this family after the
> of Daniel and Elizabeth.
> The problem with the stone for Daniel who died in 1822 in Sugar Hill is
> if you look at it, it's wedged in between the two wives of his grandson
> Daniel. It's a small stone, about a foot wide, and a stone from probably
> the 1960s in style. It nearly touches the stones on either side. There
> not room there for a grave. It is beside grandson Daniel's first wife who
> died in 1831. That 1831 stone is the oldest marked burial in that
> I have doubts that the cemetery even existed in 1822, based on some of the
> history of the church that was there. I suspect that someone one hundred
> and twenty some years later remembered that Sarah was the wife of "old
> Daniel" and got the Daniel's confused. He surely may have been visiting
> son when he died, but he didn't live that far away that he couldn't have
> been taken home to be buried. And why would they not have buried
> with him? There certainly isn't room for 2 graves. There isn't room for
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