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From: "William Thomas" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:46:03 -0400
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At Guilford the hope was they would fire twice and fall back. From some of
the accounts they got off one shot, other accounts stated that they just cut
and run. Their superior performance at Cowpens is the basis for the last
battle in the Mel Gibson movie "The Patriot".

The DAR puts militia members on par with the Continental soldiers. The
phrase 'patriot' should be based on the individual's actual military
service, not the hypothetical service DAR assumes. You get the sense DAR is
more interested in establishing bragging rights for its members then it is
in honoring the service of those who actually suffered for their country.
That is exemplified by one of my ancestors who has a DAR tombstone, who was
actually a Hessian soldier fighting for the British.

Bill T.

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
On Behalf Of Robert Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:05 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers

Militia units were very important to the Revolution and also very
disappointing. They often fled like they did at Camden and were ineffective

as they were in defending Charleston or in attempting to take Savannah.

Yet Daniel Morgan figured them out. At the Battle of Cowpens he understood
that basically un-trained and marginally disciplined soldiers could perform
well only if they had specific tasks to complete. At Cowpens he ordered his

militia front and center. He then ordered them to fire twice and fall back.

He knew they would retreat or in other words run. So why not take advantage

of their strength. After the two lines of militia fired and fell back, his
Continentals were located behind a hill. When Tarleton's forces came
galloping and running across that hill thinking they had the Patriots on the

run, they were mowed down and then the Continentals charged them.

Nathaniel Greene learned from Morgan. He used the same tactics as Guilford
Courthouse. Militia units were to fire twice and fall back. Continentals
were the third line and charged the incoming redcoats.

In partisan battles like Ramsours Mill, Musgroves Mill, Hanging Rock, Kings
Mountain, or others sometimes militia actually acquitted themselves quite
well. But being civilian soldiers with the emphasis upon civilian also
meant that they often times disappointed their leaders and themselves.

But being militia also meant that they were performing a civic duty.
Sometimes they did so badly.

Robert Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Thomas" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers


> I've noted this in the past. Most militia never saw any action. I
> recently
> read a book on the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. It doesn't have many
> nice
> things to say about the North Carolina militia. They had a high desertion
> rate prior to the battle, and many fled the battle before even firing a
> shot. They did the same thing at the earlier battle of Camden in South
> Carolina. Of course there are also notable exceptions. The militia
> defeated the British at Kings Mountain. Of course they were from what
> became Tennessee.
>
> Point being, having your name on a militia list is like having your name
> in
> the phone book. It proves you were likely breathing when the list was
> made,
> and where you lived. It also tells you what age range you were in at the
> time.
>
> Bill Thomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Thom
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:33 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [BRE] Non-enrollers
>
> I consider the DAR Patriot list to be almost a joke.
>
> Elgibility includes:
> --all those on Militia rolls [all males in the county above a certain age
> whether they ever attended drill or not - this is how a lot of Brethren
> ended up on the Patriot list]
>
> --all those who provided supplies to the Army, including those who refused
> to sell to the Army and had those supplies confiscated
> --those who HIRED someone to take their place in the Army
>
>
> My ancestry is split between those who actually fought in the American
> Revolution, and those [as German Baptist Brethren and Mennonites] who
> refused to fight. I am proud of both sets of ancestors for standing up for
> their beliefs, but who is the DAR trying to kid with their eligibility
> requirements?
>
>
>
> Thom Flory
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MG <>
> To: 'Bob Harter' <>;
> Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 7:57 am
> Subject: [BRE] Non-enrollers
>
>
> Regarding non-enrollers, Nicholas Leatherman and his son Christian,
> Dunkards, were released from a 12 fold tax to 3 fold tax in 1780, Rowan
> County, NC. This is the same Nicholas Leatherman on the 1776 Fredrick
> County non-enroller list. That list helps me establish that Nicholas was
> still in Fredrick County in 1776. Thank you.
>
> Last year I was able to establish Nicholas Leatherman as a DAR Patriot.
> The
> DAR defines one's last documented act as acceptance in DAR. Nicholas
> furnished supplies for the Army in 1781 or 1782 (not sure of the year
> without my notes).
> Martin Shoup, a non-enroller, in Fredrick County, MD, is another DAR
> Patriot
> I was able to prove.
>
> Margaret Gray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of Bob Harter
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:22 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers
>
> two questions:
> Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry
> Jr.
> married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have
> been able to find any information on him.
> Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without
> looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought
> before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married
> Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after
> the
> Hardman family.
>
> Bob Harter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Thomas" <>
> To: "'Art Miller'" <>; <>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers
>
>
>> Art:
>>
>> I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD,
>> that
>> lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller,
>> David
>> Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal
>> of
>> guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller.
>>
>> Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who
>> were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations.
>>
>> If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which
>> includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's
>> brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob
>> Miller
>> s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller,
>> Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel
>> Miller,
>> all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation.
>> So
>> you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated
>> with.
>>
>> In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are
>> people
>> who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for
>> religious reasons or they were loyalists.
>>
>> Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying
>> separate one Miller from another.
>>
>> Bill Thomas
>>
>>
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