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From: Stephanie Wilson <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Cripe
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:37:59 -0500 (EST)
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As a Cripe descendant, I would love to see an updated book on the Cripe family!

Stephanie Randall Wilson






-----Original Message-----
From: Iris Wilde <>
To: brethren <>
Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [BRE] Cripe


The ONLY Cripe books I know about are pretty old. I may put together the
acts that I have found into a book. How many people on this list would be
nterested in an updated Cripe book? I don't want to step on anyone's toes
f they are planning on doing this but would like to see a "collaborative"
ffort. Thanks, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Martha Knaggs
>wrote:
> Iris,

Has a Cripe book been published yet? I would like one if it has.

Martha


----- Original Message -----
From: "Iris Wilde" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [BRE] appropriate behavior and dress for visitors to an Old
German Baptist Church


> Thanks to all who have entered some information on this. I feel a whole
> lot
> better about attending a service now. I think now I will be brave enough
> to
> try it. Last summer I parked for a little while outside the church but
> didn't feel comfortable enough to go to services without knowing dress
> expectations. Still, it was nice to visit a church that I went to briefly
> as
> a child and even returned to the basement as an adult for my Uncle's
> funeral dinner per my cousin's very strong request. The funeral services
> were held outside.I prefer outside funeral services to inside. I can
still
> remember my Aunt's was held outside as well and I was only five then. I
> will
> watch what side the women enter on and enter on the same before I go in.
> Hopefully, I wont feel to much like a sore thumb but even if I do, it
will
> only be for a few hours. Thanks everyone! I'll let you know how my
> experiences go this summer. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Shuman, Lois A <>
wrote:
>
>> A small word of caution - I would not count on the women sitting on the
>> left side of the meeting house at EVERY congregation. At my congregation
>> (Beech Grove, Indiana), the women sit on the right side. It depends on
>> several factors and can vary from one meeting house to another, often
>> based
>> nearest the baby room. I can think of about half where the women sit on
>> the
>> right side. (smile) For the meeting house you mentioned, I *think* I
>> remember the women sitting on the left, but it's been a few years since
I
>> attended services at that congregation.
>>
>> Lois Shuman, OGBB member
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Iris Wilde [mailto:]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:00 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [BRE] appropriate behavior and dress for visitors to an Old
>> German Baptist Church
>>
>> It will be spring or summer before I can attend. However, I will post
>> about
>> this experience. It looks like you and I have a lot of the same
>> relatives.
>> I
>> sure appreciate all you have posted. This really helps me. My Best, Iris
>> Daughter of Ira D. Cripe
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:49 PM, NCripe <> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Iris,
>> >
>> > Now that it is clear to me that it is an Old German Baptist Church
>> > you're
>> > wanting to visit, I'll give you my input, based on having grown up
>> > German
>> > Baptist. Some of what respondants so far have said is valid, but as
a
>> > visitor and a non-member of the church (a "worldly" person as they see
>> it),
>> > you have far more leeway in how you dress than what some people think.
>> Head
>> > coverings are not expected of outsiders--they are considered part of
>> > the
>> > "uniform" of the church and as such, a symbol of belonging to it.
>> > Unless
>> > you belong to another congregation that wears head coverings and this
>> > is
>> > what you usually wear in church, it seem artificial for you to wear
>> > one.
>> >
>> > The main guideline: simply dress conservatively. A modest dress or
>> skirt.
>> > Below the knees isn't necessary, but near the knees would be good.
>> Don't
>> > wear sleeveless or a low neckline.
>> >
>> > Seating is pretty strictly gender-segregated. The only exception to
>> > this
>> > is if you are with a male visitor(s). Then it is okay for males and
>> females
>> > to sit together towards the back of the men's section.
>> >
>> > If you go alone or with another female, you should enter the left side
>> > of
>> > the church to sit with the women (as far as I have ever known, females
>> > ALWAYS sit on the left ). Sit up a few rows (say five or six) from
the
>> > back, in the middle section of the pews. If you sit all the way at
the
>> > back, you'll find yourself in the "young folks" section (14-20 or so
>> > year
>> > olds), where plenty of adolescent, restless behavior goes on. If you
>> > sit
>> to
>> > the far lefthand side, you'll likely be surrounded by young mothers
>> > with
>> > babies and toddlers who may need to get up to visit the baby room.
>> >
>> > The best thing to do, actually, is to arrive a half hour or more early
>> and
>> > introduce yourself to a friendly female face as a visitor. Ask them
>> where
>> > it would be best for you to sit and if there is an extra hymn book
you
>> > could use during the service. (They don't typically stow them in/on
>> > the
>> > pews (benches) like they do in mainstream churches, though they are
>> likely
>> > to have extras stashed somewhere that they'll be delighted to lend
>> > you).
>> > Bible readings will be from the King James version, so bring along a
>> > KJ
>> > Bible.
>> >
>> > Visitors are always very welcome at regular Sunday services, and as
>> > long
>> as
>> > you aren't dressed in sexually revealing clothing, how you are dressed
>> isn't
>> > that important. Modest and unshowy is the name of the game.
>> >
>> > There will be kneel-on-the-floor prayers that go on a long time. A
>> > long
>> > individualized prayer first, followed by the Lord's Prayer--both early
>> > in
>> > the service and towards the end. As a visitor/non-member you are
>> absolutely
>> > not obligated to get down on the floor. Simply bowing your head is
>> > perfectly appropriate.
>> >
>> > Hymns are "lined." Even though everyone has the words written in the
>> hymn
>> > book in front of them, they still adhere to the tradition of times
when
>> > illiteracy was more common and/or people didn't have access to a hymn
>> book.
>> > Each stanza is recited aloud by a deacon, then one of the deacons
will
>> > begin the singing (often there are multiple melodies possible for any
>> given
>> > hymn, and the hymn book has no musical notation, so deacons get to
>> > decide
>> > which tune to use) and then the congregation joins in. That stanza
>> > ends,
>> > the next is recited, and then the singing resumes. All the way
>> > through,
>> > every hymn that way (part of the reason these services go on for two
>> > hours!).
>> >
>> > The typical Sunday morning service goes like this: a reading from the
>> Old
>> > Testament, followed by singing, followed by 20-30 minutes of "opening"
>> > remarks preaching by one minister, followed by a 1st set of prayers,
>> > then
>> > another hymn, then a New Testament reading (named by the preacher who
>> will
>> > take the main sermon duties that day), then another hymn, then nearly
>> > an
>> > hour of preaching based on that reading, then more prayers, then a
hymn
>> (I
>> > think), then 15 minutes or so of closing remarks made by a third
>> preacher.
>> > Then a final hymn before dismissal. It's been about 30 years since
>> > I've
>> > sat through a GB service, so I may not be remembering exactly the
order
>> of
>> > when the hymns come in, but I think I've got it about right.
>> >
>> > Hope this is helpful!
>> >
>> > By the way, the beard is encouraged but not obligatory for GB men.
The
>> > tendancy is for more conservative men to wear them and more liberal
>> > ones
>> to
>> > not. This often correlates with younger men being unbearded and older
>> > bearded, but not necessarily. Beard-wearing is unrelated to marriage
>> > status, at least in my lifetime. I've known single men GB men with
>> beards
>> > and plenty of married ones without. Sometimes men go years without
one
>> and
>> > then grow one, but never vice versa. The only men who are definitely,
>> > as
>> > far as I know without exception expected to wear a beard are
preachers.
>> If
>> > you get elected to the ministry and you are unbearded, you grow one!
>> >
>> > There is some correlation between perceived piety and beard-wearing, a
>> bit
>> > like the perception of greater piety in a woman if she wears
>> smaller-print,
>> > dark-color fabrics, dark stockings, dress length far below the knees,
>> flat,
>> > black shoes, and doesn't poof her hair up in front.
>> >
>> > Hope this is helpful!
>> >
>> > Nancy Cripe [descendant of Daniel Cripe, John Perry Cripe, Henry
Cripe,
>> > Jacob Cripe, Daniel Cripe, Jr.; Daniel Gripe, Sr., Jacob Greib (my
>> > gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather)]
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: brethren-request <>
>> > To: brethren <>
>> > Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:54 pm
>> > Subject: BRETHREN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > essage: 1
>> > ate: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:01:26 -0600
>> > rom: Iris Wilde <>
>> > ubject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Offering - 1889
>> > o: Bob Harter <>,
>> > essage-ID:
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>> >
>> > >
>> > ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> > This really helped me! I will wear a regular over the knees dress for
>> > the
>> > ervice. The men at this church wear black hats and wear beards to show
>> they
>> > re married, I understand. I don't remember, however, my cousin ever
>> having
>> > beard. My Uncle had a wonderful white beard. The women wore little
>> > caps
>> on
>> > heir head and dresses. They set on opposite sides of the church. It
>> > will
>> be
>> > nteresting to see what the service is like now if it's ok that I
>> > attend.
>> :)
>> > 'll give it a try. Thanks so much for the information, Iris, Daughter
>> > of
>> > ra D. Cripe
>> >
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