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From: Phil Ritter <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Bavarian Palatinate to William Penn's influence onPennsylvania
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:32:07 -0700
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A good book from a fairly balanced perspective is Kevin Kenny's
"Peaceable Kingdom Lost: The Paxton Boys and the Destruction of
William Penn's Noble Experiment." The interplay between the Native
Americans, Scotch Irish, the Penn heirs, and the Quakers (including
the non-Quaker Benjamin Franklin) was quite complex.

At 11:54 AM 3/18/2010, you wrote:
>Re: Could you be more specific as to your source for what seems to be
>Penn's purely mercenary motives?
>I was a little broad based in my comments. William Penn did grant 18,000
>acres to six Mennonites in 1683 to form a colony in the Germantown area.
>They in turn would have distributed the land to the settlers. However, the
>vast majority of immigrants had to purchase their property. Many of these
>new Mennonite immigrants bought land from the Frankfurt Land Company, which
>in turn had purchased 25,000 acres from William Penn.
>Penn only lived in Pennsylvania a short time (about two years). Penn's
>children, were not Quakers, and didn't have his virtuous qualities. The
>book, "Scotch Irish of Colonial Pennsylvania" takes off the rose colored
>glasses about the Penn Family and the Quakers.
>The Quakers and the Penn's were far from saints. In 1743, the Penn family
>instructed their land agents to refuse to sell land to Scotch Irish in
>present day Lancaster, Lebanon, Dauphin, York and Adams Counties, because of
>their bigotries toward them. They preferred them on the frontier, as a
>buffer against the Indians. In 1764, Philadelphia was almost invaded by an
>angry mob, when the Quaker minority who controlled the legislature, ignored
>their grievances, in particular doing nothing about Indian massacres of
>settlers. The Quakers decided to suspend their pacifism and took up arms to
>fend off the mob. Fortunately, they came to a negotiated settlement.
>However, in response to your question regarding Penn's motives, I will quote
>a passage from US "Penn had hoped that Pennsylvania would be a
>profitable venture for himself and his family. Penn marketed the colony
>throughout Europe in various languages and, as a result, settlers flocked to
>Bill Thomas
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