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From: "Joe Custer" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:47:01 -0500
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Robert,

Indeed it does. Thank you so much.

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Carpenter" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer


> Dear Joe,
>
> I do not have a copy of the deeds but I have utilized deed abstracts from
> Holcomb, Deed Abstracts of Tryon, Lincoln, & Rutherford Counties, North
> Carolina 1769-1786. This book was published in 1977 by Southern
> Historical
> Press.
>
> Page 48
> 24 Oct 1772, Nicholas Welch, planter, & wf Elizabeth to John Custer, Black
> smith, for £40 proc. money . . .land on both sides of Buffalo Branch of
> Indian Creek adj. land surveyed for Jacob Beek [Beck?], 300 acres granted
> to
> sd. Welch, 20 May 1772. . .Nicholas Welsh, Elizabeth Welsh (E), Wit:
> Nicolas [German Signature], Henry Wortman. Recorded Oct Term 1772.
>
> Page 90
> 2 Sept 1778 John Custer& wf Elizabeth to Christian Eaker, both of Tryon
> Co.,
> for £35 proc. money. . .land on both sides of Buffaloe Branch of Indian
> Creek adj. Nicholas Welch, 300 Acres granted to Nicholas Welsh 20 Mar
> 1772.
> . .John Custer, Elasabeth Custer, Wit: Vallentine Mauny, Peter Acker (+).
> Recorded July tern 1778.
>
> I hope this helps your research.
>
> Robert Carpenter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Custer" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
>
>
>> Dear Robert,
>>
>> I have been reading with interest. I am descended from the line of "Old
>> Order German Baptist" Custers that moved west through Rockingham County
>> VA,
>> to Columbus Grove, OH, and then to Indiana. Could I purchase a copy of
>> those documents you are offering?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joe Custer
>> Bethany Congregation
>> northern Indiana
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Carpenter" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
>>
>>
>>> Dwayne,
>>>
>>> I have found no other land records for John Custer in Lincoln County
>>> through
>>> 1800 or so.
>>>
>>> It appears that quite a number of Brethren from Rowan/Randolph County
>>> areas
>>> considered moving their congregations and families to join the remaining
>>> Brethren west of the Catawba River. John Rowland also purchased land
>>> here
>>> in 1779. He was listed from Rowan County. It is also exceedingly
>>> interesting that Nicholas Welsh sold land to both Custer and John
>>> Rowland.
>>> Welsh was a Loyalist who fought at Ramsours Mill and was forced to leave
>>> the
>>> area. He ended up in Florida, Georgia, and the Bahamas. Some believe
>>> that
>>> he returned to sell his remaining lands and died in America. That
>>> research
>>> remains unconclusive.
>>>
>>> I wondered at one point in my research whether Nicholas Welsh was either
>>> German (he is not) or was Brethren, Quaker, or influenced by them. He
>>> owned
>>> slaves in Lincoln County and had considerable property. I do believe
>>> that
>>> he exerted considerable influence upon Germans and others to join the
>>> Tories
>>> in the Revolution. One researcher has uncovered papers in his quest to
>>> receive some property from the British after the war. I have read most
>>> of
>>> these materials but they do not give as much insight into his belief
>>> system
>>> as I would have hoped.
>>>
>>> I am now of the opinion that certain individuals like Welsh, Michael
>>> Buff,
>>> and others were encouraging (recruiting) other Dunkers to live west of
>>> the
>>> Catawba after the Revolution. Many came but most, as we have
>>> discovered,
>>> continued their search in Ashe County, NC and parts westward.
>>>
>>> I am very pleased with the scope of this research and am very
>>> appreciative
>>> of your sharing your opinions and information with me. If you would
>>> like
>>> full deed abstracts of the Custer purchase and sale, I would be most
>>> happy
>>> to provide.
>>>
>>> Robert Carpenter
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
>>>
>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> John and Elizabeth Hauser Custer were residents of the New River
>>>> Brethren
>>>> Settlement in Wilkes/Ashe County from 1790. Their children married
>>>> into
>>>> the
>>>> Kessler and Carver/Garber families of the New River Settlement. I
>>>> suspect
>>>> that they were the same as the John and Elizabeth Custer who owned land
>>>> in
>>>> Lincoln County in the period 1772-1778. If so it's a nice find. Like
>>>> so
>>>> many of the New River Brethren of Wilkes/Ashe, the Custers ended up in
>>>> Southern Ohio in the early 1800s.
>>>>
>>>> Dwayne Wrightsman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>> [mailto:]
>>>> On Behalf Of Robert Carpenter
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:42 AM
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: [BRE] Custer
>>>>
>>>> Concerning the name Custer: Was John and Elizabeth Custer Brethren? I
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> two deed references for John and Elizabeth Custer owning land in
>>>> Lincoln
>>>> County in 1772 and then selling the land in 1778. The deeds indicate
>>>> that
>>>> they were residents of Tryon County but that was often a formality by
>>>> the
>>>> writer of the deed.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Carpenter
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "geshoneyman" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder John Carver (Garber) on the New River in
>>>> NorthCarolina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Merle,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Garber born in 1758, ordained in 1771 at age 13? Married when he
>>>>> was
>>>>> 16 with his first child at the age 17? If Austin Cooper can be
>>>>> believed
>>>>> with the ordination date in 1771 and returning to Beaver Dam in the
>>>>> same
>>>>> year, then Austin is referring to another John Garber, not the one of
>>>>> your
>>>>> report. And I am also wondering if there is confusion about his going
>>>>> to
>>>>> the Valley of Virginia in 1775. Could Austin be referring to Johannes
>>>>> H.
>>>>> Garber who settled in the Shenandoah Valley of VA? Donnels Creek CofB
>>>>> celebrated their 200th anniversary in June 2009. There just seems to
>>>>> be
>>>>> a
>>>>> lot of suspicious information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul & Mary Custer are in the 1860 census of Wayne Co IN, both born in
>>>>> NC.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Gospel Messenger index of 1887, p 703 is one Barbara Ritter,
>>>>> died
>>>>> in
>>>>> IA, age 102. Possibly Barbara Garber Ritter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gale
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Merle C Rummel" <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder John Carver (Garber) on the New Riverin North
>>>>> Carolina
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's what I have on Elder John Garber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not know where all my information came from - most of the
>>>>>> original
>>>>>> was supplied by Don Bowman, some came from Brethren List
>>>>>> correspondence
>>>>>> and special letters to me - family/Gale Honeyman/Donnels Creek Church
>>>>>> records -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have Barbara Zook as daughter of Henry Zug and Barbara Kurtz - she
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> identified as a second marriage (see below)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John GARBER........2/m....................Barbara ZOOK
>>>>>> b. 17 Jan 1758 ?York Co PA...............b. 17 Feb 1781 Chester Co
>>>>>> PA
>>>>>> d. 14 Nov 1819 Champaign Co OH...........d. 10 Sep 1830 Goshen OH
>>>>>> f. Samuel Garber..........................f. Henry Zug
>>>>>> m. Catherine Diehl........................m. Barbara Kurtz
>>>>>> ch:
>>>>>> ....Daniel.......(1775-1838)...m. c1820, Barbara Culp......Logan Co
>>>>>> OH
>>>>>> ....Jacob........(c1776-
>>>>>> ....Elizabeth....(c1777-
>>>>>> ....Nancy........(c1779-
>>>>>> ....Mary.........(1780-1869)...m. 1801, Paul Custer (CS15)..Dublin IN
>>>>>> ....Abraham......(c1781- ......m. ......Catherine
>>>>>> ....Magdalene....(1784-1866)...1/m c1802, Peter Minnich.....Clark Co
>>>>>> OH
>>>>>> ...............................2/m 1821, Daniel Frantz
>>>>>> ....Barbara....(lived 103 yrs).m. 1805, John Ritter Sr......St Joseph
>>>>>> Co
>>>>>> IN
>>>>>> ....Joseph
>>>>>> ....Samuel.....................m. .......Elizabeth Troutman
>>>>>> ....John....................................................Wayne Co
>>>>>> IN
>>>>>> 1771 -ordained Stoney Creek, Brothers Valley PA (Cooper -Clerks
>>>>>> Book)
>>>>>> 1771 -returned to Beaver Dam Church Frederick Co MD (Cooper)
>>>>>> 1775 - to Valley of Virginia
>>>>>> (I had nothing on the Carolina interlude)
>>>>>> -to near Lexington KY (Paul Custer family record)
>>>>>> c1796 - Clermont Co OH, 1st minister, Obannon Creek Church
>>>>>> 1805 - Donnels Creek Church - Founding Elder
>>>>>> (Donnels Creek settlement - up Indian Path from Obannon
>>>>>> c1815 - moved to Champaigne Co OH, Donnels Creek Ch
>>>>>> preached in German
>>>>>> Pietist - believed in Eternal Restoration (Paul Custer family record)
>>>>>> ? - 1/m Susan Humbart
>>>>>>
>>>>>> none of this material came from World Connect -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Merle C Rummel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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