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From: "Robert Carpenter" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:21:47 -0400
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Dear Joe,

I do not have a copy of the deeds but I have utilized deed abstracts from
Holcomb, Deed Abstracts of Tryon, Lincoln, & Rutherford Counties, North
Carolina 1769-1786. This book was published in 1977 by Southern Historical
Press.

Page 48
24 Oct 1772, Nicholas Welch, planter, & wf Elizabeth to John Custer, Black
smith, for £40 proc. money . . .land on both sides of Buffalo Branch of
Indian Creek adj. land surveyed for Jacob Beek [Beck?], 300 acres granted to
sd. Welch, 20 May 1772. . .Nicholas Welsh, Elizabeth Welsh (E), Wit:
Nicolas [German Signature], Henry Wortman. Recorded Oct Term 1772.

Page 90
2 Sept 1778 John Custer& wf Elizabeth to Christian Eaker, both of Tryon Co.,
for £35 proc. money. . .land on both sides of Buffaloe Branch of Indian
Creek adj. Nicholas Welch, 300 Acres granted to Nicholas Welsh 20 Mar 1772.
. .John Custer, Elasabeth Custer, Wit: Vallentine Mauny, Peter Acker (+).
Recorded July tern 1778.

I hope this helps your research.

Robert Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Custer" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer


> Dear Robert,
>
> I have been reading with interest. I am descended from the line of "Old
> Order German Baptist" Custers that moved west through Rockingham County
> VA,
> to Columbus Grove, OH, and then to Indiana. Could I purchase a copy of
> those documents you are offering?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Custer
> Bethany Congregation
> northern Indiana
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Carpenter" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
>
>
>> Dwayne,
>>
>> I have found no other land records for John Custer in Lincoln County
>> through
>> 1800 or so.
>>
>> It appears that quite a number of Brethren from Rowan/Randolph County
>> areas
>> considered moving their congregations and families to join the remaining
>> Brethren west of the Catawba River. John Rowland also purchased land
>> here
>> in 1779. He was listed from Rowan County. It is also exceedingly
>> interesting that Nicholas Welsh sold land to both Custer and John
>> Rowland.
>> Welsh was a Loyalist who fought at Ramsours Mill and was forced to leave
>> the
>> area. He ended up in Florida, Georgia, and the Bahamas. Some believe
>> that
>> he returned to sell his remaining lands and died in America. That
>> research
>> remains unconclusive.
>>
>> I wondered at one point in my research whether Nicholas Welsh was either
>> German (he is not) or was Brethren, Quaker, or influenced by them. He
>> owned
>> slaves in Lincoln County and had considerable property. I do believe
>> that
>> he exerted considerable influence upon Germans and others to join the
>> Tories
>> in the Revolution. One researcher has uncovered papers in his quest to
>> receive some property from the British after the war. I have read most
>> of
>> these materials but they do not give as much insight into his belief
>> system
>> as I would have hoped.
>>
>> I am now of the opinion that certain individuals like Welsh, Michael
>> Buff,
>> and others were encouraging (recruiting) other Dunkers to live west of
>> the
>> Catawba after the Revolution. Many came but most, as we have discovered,
>> continued their search in Ashe County, NC and parts westward.
>>
>> I am very pleased with the scope of this research and am very
>> appreciative
>> of your sharing your opinions and information with me. If you would like
>> full deed abstracts of the Custer purchase and sale, I would be most
>> happy
>> to provide.
>>
>> Robert Carpenter
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Custer
>>
>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> John and Elizabeth Hauser Custer were residents of the New River
>>> Brethren
>>> Settlement in Wilkes/Ashe County from 1790. Their children married into
>>> the
>>> Kessler and Carver/Garber families of the New River Settlement. I
>>> suspect
>>> that they were the same as the John and Elizabeth Custer who owned land
>>> in
>>> Lincoln County in the period 1772-1778. If so it's a nice find. Like
>>> so
>>> many of the New River Brethren of Wilkes/Ashe, the Custers ended up in
>>> Southern Ohio in the early 1800s.
>>>
>>> Dwayne Wrightsman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> [mailto:]
>>> On Behalf Of Robert Carpenter
>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:42 AM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [BRE] Custer
>>>
>>> Concerning the name Custer: Was John and Elizabeth Custer Brethren? I
>>> have
>>>
>>> two deed references for John and Elizabeth Custer owning land in Lincoln
>>> County in 1772 and then selling the land in 1778. The deeds indicate
>>> that
>>> they were residents of Tryon County but that was often a formality by
>>> the
>>> writer of the deed.
>>>
>>> Robert Carpenter
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "geshoneyman" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder John Carver (Garber) on the New River in
>>> NorthCarolina
>>>
>>>
>>>> Merle,
>>>>
>>>> John Garber born in 1758, ordained in 1771 at age 13? Married when he
>>>> was
>>>> 16 with his first child at the age 17? If Austin Cooper can be
>>>> believed
>>>> with the ordination date in 1771 and returning to Beaver Dam in the
>>>> same
>>>> year, then Austin is referring to another John Garber, not the one of
>>>> your
>>>> report. And I am also wondering if there is confusion about his going
>>>> to
>>>> the Valley of Virginia in 1775. Could Austin be referring to Johannes
>>>> H.
>>>> Garber who settled in the Shenandoah Valley of VA? Donnels Creek CofB
>>>> celebrated their 200th anniversary in June 2009. There just seems to
>>>> be
>>>> a
>>>> lot of suspicious information.
>>>>
>>>> Paul & Mary Custer are in the 1860 census of Wayne Co IN, both born in
>>>> NC.
>>>>
>>>> In the Gospel Messenger index of 1887, p 703 is one Barbara Ritter,
>>>> died
>>>> in
>>>> IA, age 102. Possibly Barbara Garber Ritter.
>>>>
>>>> Gale
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Merle C Rummel" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder John Carver (Garber) on the New Riverin North
>>>> Carolina
>>>>
>>>>> Here's what I have on Elder John Garber
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know where all my information came from - most of the
>>>>> original
>>>>> was supplied by Don Bowman, some came from Brethren List
>>>>> correspondence
>>>>> and special letters to me - family/Gale Honeyman/Donnels Creek Church
>>>>> records -
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Barbara Zook as daughter of Henry Zug and Barbara Kurtz - she
>>>>> was
>>>>> identified as a second marriage (see below)
>>>>>
>>>>> John GARBER........2/m....................Barbara ZOOK
>>>>> b. 17 Jan 1758 ?York Co PA...............b. 17 Feb 1781 Chester Co
>>>>> PA
>>>>> d. 14 Nov 1819 Champaign Co OH...........d. 10 Sep 1830 Goshen OH
>>>>> f. Samuel Garber..........................f. Henry Zug
>>>>> m. Catherine Diehl........................m. Barbara Kurtz
>>>>> ch:
>>>>> ....Daniel.......(1775-1838)...m. c1820, Barbara Culp......Logan Co OH
>>>>> ....Jacob........(c1776-
>>>>> ....Elizabeth....(c1777-
>>>>> ....Nancy........(c1779-
>>>>> ....Mary.........(1780-1869)...m. 1801, Paul Custer (CS15)..Dublin IN
>>>>> ....Abraham......(c1781- ......m. ......Catherine
>>>>> ....Magdalene....(1784-1866)...1/m c1802, Peter Minnich.....Clark Co
>>>>> OH
>>>>> ...............................2/m 1821, Daniel Frantz
>>>>> ....Barbara....(lived 103 yrs).m. 1805, John Ritter Sr......St Joseph
>>>>> Co
>>>>> IN
>>>>> ....Joseph
>>>>> ....Samuel.....................m. .......Elizabeth Troutman
>>>>> ....John....................................................Wayne Co
>>>>> IN
>>>>> 1771 -ordained Stoney Creek, Brothers Valley PA (Cooper -Clerks Book)
>>>>> 1771 -returned to Beaver Dam Church Frederick Co MD (Cooper)
>>>>> 1775 - to Valley of Virginia
>>>>> (I had nothing on the Carolina interlude)
>>>>> -to near Lexington KY (Paul Custer family record)
>>>>> c1796 - Clermont Co OH, 1st minister, Obannon Creek Church
>>>>> 1805 - Donnels Creek Church - Founding Elder
>>>>> (Donnels Creek settlement - up Indian Path from Obannon
>>>>> c1815 - moved to Champaigne Co OH, Donnels Creek Ch
>>>>> preached in German
>>>>> Pietist - believed in Eternal Restoration (Paul Custer family record)
>>>>> ? - 1/m Susan Humbart
>>>>>
>>>>> none of this material came from World Connect -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Merle C Rummel
>>>>
>>>>
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