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From: "Mary Ann Rhodes" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] John H. of mention in the 1798 Annual Meeting
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:30:50 -0400
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Merle,
Thank You
I am someone, who finding what her great-grandfather was an elder of in
1995, has been on a long journey to find an amazing ancestry. The only
explanation I have found for the Falls City, NE, 1881-1882 split was "order
of the dress."
Christian Forney organized the Brethren Church at Beaver City, NE, in 1884
after relocating to Burr Oak after leaving Falls City. Christian is listed
in Burr Oak as one who joined the Progressive movement. The church in Falls
City was built on Christian and Sabina's land. When they Falls City, they
deeded the land to the trustees of the church. After many problems, is now a
Brethren Church.
Christian was for many years until his death, presiding elder and pastor at
Beaver City. I did get from the archives in Elgin, both his retirement and
obituary from the Brethren Evangelist. I assumed they were there as he had
been an active German Baptist elder or that he was related to Elder John
Forney, both of them. Christian and his father, Elder John Forney, Sr,.
worked on relief committees, road to visit outlying members, together. They
seemed to be very close.
Christian's wife was the granddaughter of Elder Henry Meyers, one of the
instigators of the split. His father followed the rules of the Annual
conference until his death.
Dress alone did not, to me, seem sufficient reason for Christian to follow
Henry instead of his father.

Was it just the congregational based church as the ruling body instead of
the rulings of the Annual Conference? That does make more sense than dress.
Are there other reasons in the Compromise that were real conflicts?

Any insight for my dilemma would be more than appreciated.

Mary Ann Rhodes




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Merle C Rummel" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [BRE] John H. of mention in the 1798 Annual Meeting


>
>>
>> What intrigues me to no end is that modern German Baptist historians
>> have chosen, or not been aware of, these various works. It could be that
>> they chose not to read it because it was not "German Baptist" in origin.
>> Or
>> perhaps it was an ignorance of the not widely known aspect of
>> Universalism
>> and Pietism having an impact on early German Baptist history.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you might even say that Martin's Pietist impact lasted into
>> to
>> the 1880s. Could we term the Old Orders as Annual Meeting Brethren of
>> Martin's day and the Progressive's as the Pietists of Martin's day?
>> Martin
>> seemingly espoused a congregational based ruling body (each church ruled
>> itself) while the Annual Meeting Brethren of that era preferred a body of
>> elders ruling the entire body of the church. An interesting concept!
>> Perhaps I got the horse before the cart on that one. <grin>
>>
>
> Floyd Mallott (Studies in Brethren History) and Donald Durnbaugh
> (Brethren in Colonial America) -both reference Eddy. And you don't
> include my own comments on the Pietism sequence: - that the conflict of
> the Carolinas, and sequel in Kaintuck, didn't finish with the Far
> Western Brethren and a Compromise, because the Compromise itself was not
> acceptable to many. Annual Meeting, itself, took the stand that there
> was really no compromise, that it was just an agreement to accept the
> decisions of Annual Meeting - look at the record of what they did.
>
> There were many Brethren who moved west from Illinois into Missouri and
> further, who refused the Compromise, and Annual Meeting, and are lost to
> the Brethren. Then you, too, include the divisions of the church, in
> 1881 and 1882, when the Old Order refused the Compromise, and returned
> to the earlier decisions of Annual Meeting. I am not sure I would place
> either the "Progressives" or the "Church of the Brethren" in the Pietist
> camp - but they are certainly closer to the Compromise.
>
> Merle C Rummel
>
>
>
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