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From: Mary Elizabeth Stump <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Another Kentucky Church
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:30:47 -0700 (PDT)
Thank you for your e-mail ref. the KY.Churches. It "kind-a" "sort-a" helps me with the emigration of my deceased husband's family emigration to Clark and Edgar Counties, ILL. around about 1820-30. It looks as though Francis Stump (died 1801) Muhlenberg County, KY was not living at the time of that 1800 "whatever" that caused the Baptist Brethren separation.
Thanks again. Liz Stump
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From: Merle C Rummel <>
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:54:58 AM
Subject: [BRE] Another Kentucky Church
I was so busy with the other Kentucky churches, that I missed this one
which Rolland Flory told of in his "Lest We Forget" books -
It is/was just southwest of Louisville (at or near the little suburban
town of Shively) - it is still in existance as the Parkview Methodist
Church, but its location has moved north into the city.
Its beginning was before 1793 - a date at which it was accepted into the
Salem Association. Records indicate that it was a Union Church -with
both Baptist and Methodist meeting (certainly the Baptist Brethren, per
later information). The Shively families donated land for a building in
Flory lists membership names of Shively, Banta, Martin, Kern, Burkhart,
Byers and Calvert. Many or most of these names are buried at the
Shively Cemetery. I've just begun to explore these names.
The family stories tell that the Shively and Banta families were at
Redstone (Brownsville PA) about 1780, where Daniel Boone (?certainly
only the stories about him) persuaded them of a future in Kentucky.
Some of or all of these young men rowed down the Ohio River to "the
Falls", where Daniel Boone (again?) persuaded them to go to Danville
(main city of Kentucky then, where the state of Kentucky was
organized). Enroute, in what is now Henry Co KY, an Indian attack
killed John Shively and Jacob Banta. At Danville these men joined in
the formation of the Low Dutch Company, which purchased some 6000 Acres
of land from Squire Boone (north of Shelbyville KY - obtaining a total
of 9000 Acres). Henry Shively married Mary Banta (daughter of Henry
Banta) at Danville.
The Shively brothers (Christian, Jacob, Henry - sons of Michael Shively
- brother John is dead) settled west of the "Wilderness Road" (or
"Logan's Path") toward the mouth of the Salt River, where the town of
Shively is and where this church was organized. Christian Shively (born
1746) married Anna Maria Bashore, and is recorded as returning to
Pennsylvania to bring her to Kentucky. Jacob Shively (1751-1819)
married Mary Swindler. Henry Shively (1759-1842) married Mary Banta. I
have no information on a marriage for John Shively (1749-1781), although
he was 32 years old when he was killed. I only have information on the
children of Henry Shively.
Henry Shively and family moved to Orange County IN (near the Lost
River/Liberty Church) about 1837. Flory says that Henry's son, Jacob
Banta Shively (1797-1868, wife Anna Shock?) is listed as a Brethren
Minister (obituary in the Gospel Visitor - can anyone find it for me?).
Most of this family went with the Disciples of Christ church after the
These Shively families seem to have originally been Brethren and came to
Kentucky as Pietistic Brethren. The "Baptist" identification of the
church, then, was originally "Baptist Brethren". That as a result of
the Annual Meeting actions in the early 1800s, which lost us all the
Kentucky churches, this church went with the Methodists, who were also
originally Pietistic. This is the Parkview Methodist Church of
Louisville KY, today.
Hendrick Banta III (1718-c1805) was born in New Jersey and died at the
Low Dutch Settlement in Shelby Co KY. Others in that area were the
Leathermans and the Stutzmans. The children of Hendrick Banta seem to
have mostly come to Kentucky - I have more work to do on this family.
If any of you have information about these families -I would be very
interested (including Kentucky branches of the families: Martin, Kern,
Burkhart, Byers and Calvert - I suspect this is includes the Peter Kern
of whom I previously made inquiry) (Betty Darnell has helped me with
some of the modern information.)
Merle C Rummel
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