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From: Jane Davis <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:14:08 -0700
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Thanks Robert for the additional info. The Sebold name is not one I remember being in the Cape G. area but I will check it out. Yes, the Nicewanger family was active in the activities of the Brethren in Cape G. The first Love Feast celebrated in Cape G. was at his house about 1810, I think it was. There is a Nicewonger chapel in the area that may be named for him. I have not seen it yet or checked it out, but intend to in the future. The half-brother relationship is interesting. Jane.

> From: > To: > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:53:51 -0500> Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration> > In Missouri the name is also Sebach and other spellings are Sebaugh, > Seabach, Sebold, Sebald.> > Jacob Sepaugh (variously spelled) was the half-brother of Joseph Neuswanger > (variously spelling). Joseph was an influencial Brethren. He sold land to > the minister, Henry Rhodes, and later removed to Cape Girardeau County, > Missouri with the Millers, Bakers, and Sepaugh family.> > Robert Carpenter> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Davis" <>> To: <>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:13 PM> Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration> > > > Thanks. I have all you listed except Sepaugh. Is there another spelling > > for this name, possibly? Jane.> >> >> From: > To: > Date: Fri, 14 > >> Dec 2007 18:04:51 -0500> Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration> > Jane > >> Davis,> > These Brethren that left NC from 1800-1805 or so were part of a > >> major > migration led by members of the Bollinger family. The family > >> names which > went to Missouri include Baker, Miller, Newswanger (various > >> spellings), > Sepaugh. Some members of these families remained in NC.> > > >> Other Brethren who had settled in the South Fork River Valley remained > >> here > until today. Many joined regular Baptist churches after the death > >> of both > Dunker preachers -- Rhodes and Leonhardt.> > Robert > >> Carpenter> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Davis" > >> <>> To: <>> Sent: Friday, December > >> 14, 2007 12:55 PM> Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration> > > > Robert > >> Carpenter--Your letter of Dec 13 2007 mentions a past posting of > > > >> Brethren who came to N. Carolina and that many of them went on to Cape > > >> > !> > Girardeau, MO. I have only one group who arrived in Cape G. on Jan 1, > > > > 1800 directly from N. Car. Others spent time in KY first. Do you have > > > > others who came directly from N. Car. to MO? Jane Davis.> >> >> From: > > > To: > Date: Thu, 13 > >> Dec > > 2007 22:43:24 -0500> Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration> > I > >> > > continue to research the Dunker settlements pre and post Revolution west > > > >> > of the Catawba River in present Lincoln, Gaston, and Catawba Counties > > > >> in > North Carolina.> > The earliest Dunker settlement of the middle > > > >> 1750's named Killians > Settlement is well documented. After the > > American > >> Revolution this area > experienced a major influx of German > > Baptists who > >> settled the South Fork > River Valley. Two Dunker > > preachers ministered to > >> these settlers in two > churches, both of > > which were named Thessalonica. > >> The two Dunker preachers > were Rev. > > Henry Rhodes and Rev. Lorentz > >> Linhardt (L!> > eonhardt).> > I have posted before for clues as to where these > >> tw> > o ministers came from. I > have also posted some of the Dunker migrants > > > >> to determine where they > originated before coming to North Carolina.> > > > > >> If anyone has information about these two ministers!> > , I would > > appreciate it. > Also, I understand and would like confirmation: > > > > Neither of these Dunker > ministers, Henry Rhodes or Lorentz Linhardt > > > > (Leonhardt), are listed in the > Brethren Encyclopedia. Can anyone confirm > > > > that for me? Are they listed or > not?> > Many of these Brethren who > > came > > after the Revolution removed to Ashe County, > NC and to Cape > > Girardeau > > County, Missouri. Others remained here and the > families > > still reside > > here even though their Dunker heritage is no longer > > > known.> > I > > appreciate any assistance.> > Robert Carpenter> ----- > > Original > > Message ----- > From: "Merle C Rummel" <>> > > To: > > <>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:40 > > AM> > > Subject: Re: [BRE] southern migration>!> > > > > by 1740s (11+ years after > > Alexander Mack and ship arrived) > > there were> > Brethren in the deep south. > > They followed the Great > > Wagon Road - which> > ran from Philadelphia to > > Gettysburg PA to > > Hagarstown MD. They crossed> > the Potomac at Williams!> > port and > > followed the Valley Road to Big Lick> > (Roanoke) where Alexa> > nder Mack > > Jr and company fled to in 1745 - Dunker's> > Bottom at > > Blacksburg. > > They traveled through the gap to east of the Blue> > Ridge > > mountains > > and followed the Carolina Road -to the Yadkin. The> > Brethren > > did not > > stop in Virginia until just before the Revolution, due> > to the > > > > requirements of the Royal Colony, which included the "state> > church" > > > > (Church of England, Anglican).> >> > There was considerable settlement by > > > > the Brethren along the Yadkin> > (almost certainly by then including > > the > > Boones), and by the 1750s they> > folllowed it into South Carolina > > (where > > it was called the Pee Dee).> > Other Bret!> > hren settled along the Catawba > > River in both North and South> > Ca> > rolina, and some of them moved over to > > the Savannah River, and across> > > > it into Georgia. These families were > > mostly lost to the Brethren > > Church> > in the disputes of the late 1700s > > (1790-96 Annual Meeting > > actions> > against Universalism -coming from our > > Pietist emphasis, > > primarily led by> > Elder David Mar!> > tin, son of Elder George Adam > > Martin of Somerset Co PA).> > Many of these > > families moved west into > > Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama and> > Mississippi > > (especially as the > > Indians were removed -although there were> > > > intermarriages with the > > Cherokee).> >> > I'm done teaching College now > > (well, Finals and Term > > papers to grade)> > -nothing scheduled for next > > semester - so will get > > back to finishing my> > book on the early Frontier > > Brethren (Kentucky, > > Ohio, Indiana mostly).> > It is emphasizing the > > Brethren dispute with > > Annual Meeting of the 1820s,> > and the resulting > > loss of these > > Brethren (per historian Abraham Cassel -> > alm!> > ost half of > > the denomination). A lot of these came from the> > > > Carolinas, although > > many came down the Ohio River from> > > > Pennsylvania/Maryland. It includes > > some Brethren moving into > > Tennessee> > and many families moving on further > > west > > (Illinois/Missouri). (These> > same families included members moving > > > > into the Deep South - by 1800 or> > soon after). Maybe !> > they weren't > > Brethren by then, but they were the> > same Brethren fami> > lies.> >> > > > Merle C Rummel> >> >> However, I am not aware of either family > > having > > descendents in Alabama in> >> the pre-Civil war days. The Deep > > South > > was not a typical migration> >> destination from PA or MD either (no > > > > easy way to get there for one > >> thing).> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------> > Search the Archives at > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN>; > > > > > ------------------------> > Support Our Sponsoring Agency> > The > > > > Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> > For f!> > urther information > > contact Ron McAdams mailto:> >> > > > ------------------------> >> > -------------------------------> > > >> > > > To > > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > >> > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at > > > >> > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN>; ------------------------> > > >> > > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The F!> > ellowship Of Brethren > >> > > > Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact > > Ron > >> > > > McAdams mailto:> ------------------------> > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > >> > > > please > > send an email to with the > >> > > > word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the > >> > > > body of the message> > > >> > > > _________________________________________________________________> > >> > > > > Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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