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From: Jane Davis <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Deeds don't always exist either so can't be countedon inplace of wills
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:25:15 -0700
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Alice--Could you share more about your John Keedy who lived in Missouri? In what part of the state did he live? When did he arrive? Did he stay during the war years?
At the end of the Civil War in Missouri, many of the deeds, etc. were destroyed during the Border Warfare and the Civil War when many court houses and court records were burned by opposing forces, or hidden until after the war. A quick review of newspapers following the war in Johnson County (MO) alone reveals the loss of lands by many because of forced abandonment during the war, death, destruction of property by fire or robbery, taxes not paid, land claims by squatters, etc. In other words, the records were in a mess from every angle. Column and column after page after page were devoted to publications of notices about land transactions. Just straightening out these land ownerships took a period of years of legal haranguing, etc. Jane Davis.
> From: > To: > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:59:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [BRE] Deeds don't always exist either so can't be counted on inplace of wills> > I had this experience with my Keedy clan. I believe I rounded them all up > when finally, in I found a cluster of 1868 quitclaim deeds signed by > everyone except those who were living on John Keedy's land in MO. It was a > wonderful find because it also brought another child into the picture who > had never shown up in the census. This find also narrowed down to a small > period of time the years when the family moved from TN to Indiana. It also > confirmed the minimum length of time in which the family lived in TN-in a > county with no records to speak of before 1912. Needless to say that was one > road trip that was worth every cent I spent and every one of the 1520 miles > I drove.> Alice> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <>> To: <>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:39 AM> Subject: [BRE] Deeds don't always exist either so can't be counted on > inplace of wills> > > >> > In many cases it seems that only one child took over the house or sold the > > house?and later (on his own, undocumented)?distributed the proceeds to the > > heirs.?> >> > In one case with my Revolutionary war era ancestor he left the home to his > > very youngest son, sired when he was a senior citizen, or about 65.? No > > deed was ever recorded.? His great granddaughters even grew up in that > > home, and both died in the last couple of years and were about 100 years.? > > But during their lives they claimed their grandfather was a grandson of > > the Rev. war man, not a son. That seemed strange to me, because that would > > have meant at the death of the Revolutionary war era ancestor his home > > should have been sold to a grandson then, which would have been a younger > > son of a middle son of the Revolutionary war era ancestor.? I later found > > out that the man they claimed descent from moved out west and died out > > there and was a different person, a nephew to their grandfather, so then > > deduced that the home had been left to the very youngest son.?Which was > > common, as was mentioned on this list. ?I doubt the chain of title if it > > could be found today would list any of th!> > e other numerous children if the deed had been drawn up during my > > Revolutionary war era ancestor's life, else these sisters would have known > > their real descent.? These deeds you mention as sometimes having much > > information are where the deceased dies possessed of real estate, and then > > the heirs dispose of the property.? But often the executor/administrator, > > often the oldest son, would sell the property in his own name and then > > probably distribute the proceeds later to all his siblings or their > > heirs.?> >> > I know there are some estates that will list all the heirs, and a few land > > documents with names of all the heirs, but this seems to have been the > > exception in PA.? So I don't think anyone should count on going to any > > courthouse to have all their questions answered.?Or if you go then go with > > low expectations, and with a skeptic eye. ?Even some people who live right > > in PA where their ancestors lived have their lines all messed up! These > > late elderly sisters' incorrect?family connections have been posted by > > their county's "historian", perpetuated now through numerous Rootsweb > > postings.? Its not the fault of anyone here, as no one would have thought > > of trying to extend their focus way out west to extended family who left > > PA. So I still think "irrefutable circumstantial evidence" is often the > > route most will have to take in documenting their PA Dutch families.> >> >> > Richard> >> > ________________________________________________________________________> > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > > http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003> >> > ------------------------> > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> > ------------------------> > Support Our Sponsoring Agency> > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:> > ------------------------> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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