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From: "Emmert F. Bittinger" <>
Subject: Re: [Arnold Family]
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:51:41 -0500
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Response to Wayane,
The Daniel Arnold that you associate with the daate 1824 in your first
question is of a different generation from George Adam Martin (d. 1794), and
not the one associated with him. This also answers question 3 if I
understand your question.
Regarding your comments about the Lancaster vs. Maryland Arnolds. I am
sure you are aware that two John George Arnolds (both from Zuzenhousen)
immigrated to Philaladelphia Port, one in 1737 on the Ship Townsend and in
1738 on the Ship Eliaabeth, both with wives and children. Both being from
Zuzenhousen, a relatively small community, they were undoubtedly related.
The Arnolds traditionally were strong Reformed people, but when John George
and his wife became associated with the Brethren (a forbidden sect) their
records no longer went into the Reformed Church. I believe it was Werner
Hacker (I didn't look this up) who suggested that our John Goerge Arnold
family had become associated with a forbidden sect in Germany.
Such an association amounted to a rejection from the Reformed Church and
from good standing in Reformed families. These feelings were strong in
Germany and some of these attitudes were carried to the new World. The
Barth whom came to Pa. were Reformed, and they neither would have much
interest in associating with Dunkers. Besides, both transportation and
communication were major obstacles in the middle 1700s.
Perhaps these observations regarding religious, social, and geographical
context can help overcome your smelling probleml!!
Emmert
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Subject: [BRE] Re: BRETHREN-D Digest V05 #387


> In a message dated 12/21/2005 4:21:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
> 1) Daniel Arnold was an Elder in 1824, before he moved to Brothers
> Valley
> (was it possible George Adam Martin didn't recognize his
> Eldership? -and reinstalled him
> again in 1829? Or did Peter Nead give him the title
> inapropriately - I don't think so!)
> 2) Daniel Arnold lived in the Potomac River valley near Romney Va/WVa
> (there was then, and still is, a good Brethren church
> community there!)
> 3) Daniel Arnold was not part of George Adam Martin's migration to
> Brothers Valley (1823)
> although -according to Austin Cooper, he was part of
> Martin's church once he got there.
> 4) from other sources -George Adam Martin had at least one son
> living in this general vicinity of the Potomac River -in
> West Virginia (possibly there was some connection that way)
> I neglected to pull out the copy of Allegheny Passage to see if Emmert
> had any information on
> Daniel Arnold there.
> Merle,
> You need to go back and refer to your other sources. The Daniel Arnold
> that Peter Nead is referring to is the nephew of the Daniel Arnold
> referred to
> in the Catharine Hummer report. The Daniel Arnold in Hampshire county,
> Virginia[Mineral county, West Virginia] is the son of John Arnold and Anna
> Margaret
> Albaugh. Daniel was married to one the Brethren Thomas family
> members[Elizabeth. d/o Samuel & Magdalene]. Daniel, Zachariah and Samuel
> Arnold were founding
> members of the Beaver Run church. With them was their sister and
> brother-in-law Catherine Arnold and Daniel Whip[Wipf] who were my
> ancestors. It is
> speculated that Daniel, and his brother John up in Centerville,
> Pennsylvania, may
> have been deacons. At least five of the children of Martin Wipf, the
> immigrant, can by circumstantial evidence be shown to have been Anna
> Baptist.
> On another subject. Not meaning any disrespect to Mr. Binnie's memory
> or
> research accumen I have problems with some of his earliest statements. He
> states, and I quote, that Johan Gorg Arnold and Anna Maria Barth were from
> Zuzenhausen, Germany. I have no problem with that statement. What I have
> a problem
> with is documentation in the Reformed church records there demonstrating
> the
> birth of the sons attributed to the Johann Gorg Arnold of Frederick
> county,
> Maryland.
> The Barth family, and an Arnold family, were early parishioners at the
> Trinity church in Lancaster county, Pennsylvania. But yet there is no
> interaction between those Arnolds and ours in Maryland. Not for that
> matter can I find
> any records indicating that the two Johann Gorg Arnolds are one and the
> same.
> Ours was settled in Maryland at a different time than the Barth family can
> be shown in Lancaster.
> In my opinion, and again no disrespect intended, something smells in
> the
> out house.
> PLEASE prove me wrong.
>
> Wayne Webb
> Brethren Roots Newsletter Editor
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