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From: "John and Marilyn Murray" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Samuel Ulrich, son of David and Elizabeth Cripe Ulrich
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:47:13 -0600
I have problems with the logic in the following e-mail and I would like more
Let me begin with Samuel's will dated Oct. 23, 1833. Is this date from the
original will signed by Samuel and his 2 witnesses? If this date is true
then Samuel was still alive on Oct. 23, 1833 and died after that date. I
can't believe that Samuel and the witnesses from the Brethren Church would
have signed a will that was falsely dated. If Oct. 23, 1833 is the correct
date of the will then the tombstone is wrong. Where was Samuel's will
entered into probate? Does anyone have a copy of the will that was entered
Second, I would like more information about that "birth certificate" that
shows Samuel being born Feb. 23, 1802. In those days no state issued birth
certificates and neither did the Church of the Brethren. If this birth date
is written on a scrap of paper, it was no doubt figured from the tombstone
and not the other way around. And if the information on the tombstone is
incorrect, then the date on that scrap of paper is incorrect.
Third, I would like more information about the tombstone: Where is this
tombstone found? Was his wife buried next to him and are their tombstones
identical? If the stones are identical we may be sure that his stone was
carved and placed on his grave after his wife died which was many years
after he died. That distance in time would make the information on his
stone somewhat questionable as to its complete accuracy.
I'm hoping for some answers to the above questions.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: [BRE] Samuel Ulrich, son of David and Elizabeth Cripe Ulrich
> Morning Folks,
> With the aid of Anne Schmidt-Lange and Delores Baker the problem has
> solved. The scrap of paper to be found at the Brethren Historical Library
> Archives at Elgin, Illinois is a birth certificate for Samuel Ulrich, son
> David and Elizabeth Cripe Ulrich.
> As previously mentioned the information on the document states that
> and his wife had a son named Samuel born on Feb. 23, 1802 with the caveat
> that the 1802 could be read as 1801.
> However this date of birth did not correlate to information to be found
> at Rootsweb which stated that Samuel was born on March 24, 1802. Several
> were kind enough to put me in touch with Mrs. Delores Baker who had part
> the solution but also part of the problem.
> She has a grainy xerox copy of a photograph of Samuel's tombstone
> that he died on Oct. 8, 1833 at the age of 31 years, 7 months and 15 days.
> But she also states that his will was written on Oct. 23, 1833 and
> presented for
> probate on Nov. 11, 1833. We will study the date of death first.
> If you take the date of birth that I have(Feb. 23, 1833) and to it add
> the age at the time of his death(31 yrs 7 mos 15 days) you magically come
> to a
> date of death of Oct. 8, 1833. Exactly what the tombstone is engraved with
> a date of death. In other words the date of birth of March 24, 1802 is
> incorrect and there exists a birth certificate for Samual Ulrich.
> The writing of the will on Oct. 23, 1833 does present a problem, but
> taken into context with the now proven date of birth it would appear that
> will was written on Sept. 23, 1833 though incorrectly entered on the will
> Wayne Webb
> Brethren Roots Newsletter Editor
> Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists: Homepage
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> Montgomery County, Ohio Research Services
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