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From: James Shuman <>
Subject: RE: [BRE] Maria/Mary and John MARTIN
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:34:04 -0800
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Gale,

Thank you for this information. If I understand it correctly, we can
conclude either

1. we have John Nicholas Martin married to the wrong spouse

or

2. The John Martin married to Mary Ulrich, daughter of Daniel, was
not the son of Nicholas Martin born 1721.

I found a note with some of the info I had stored away. It was from
Diane Miller, dated June 17, 2003:

>My information for the John Martin, Sr. line ... has not been
>verified. However, various sources state that Jacob Shively, Sr.,
>born 1767 married Elizabeth Martin born 1772, daughter of John
>Martin and Maria Ulrich.

I believe Gladys Royer was involved in that discussion, also, and I
see a message from you about that same time.

Thanks for find this!

JS


>Recently John Hale Stutesman donated to the Brethren Heritage Center,
>his notebook on the family of Dunker Elder Nicholas Martin. Someplace
>he found a source for the 1776 Sauer Bible belonging to Jacob Martin
>[1796-1876], sixth child of Hans Nicholas Martin II whose children are
>also recorded, from which I give the family record:
>
>Nicholas Martin b 3 Apr 1721 in Sickinghishen, Palatinate, m Susannah
>Ulrich b about Easter 1727. I need to recheck the notebook as I have in
>my record, Ulrich? The children were:
>1 Elizabeth b 8 Oct 1757 [no mate listed]
>2 Hans Nicholas b 28 Nov 1759 [m 3 May 1785 Susannah Zug, d/o Jacob & 1)
>Elizabeth]
>3 Daniel b 21 Jan 1762 [m Hannah Cripe d/o Jacob]
>4 David b 26 Nov 1764 [m Rosanna Bostetter d/o Andrew & Elizabeth (Long]
>5 Anna Maria b 12 Mar 1767 [m Jacob Bostetter bro/o Rosanna]
>6 Catharine b 21 Oct 1769 [m Jacob Angle son Heinrich & Elizabeth
>(Diehl]
>
>Further records in Mr. Stutesman's notebook include: Nicholas was the
>minister of the Conewago Dunker congregation in York Co PA when it was
>formed in 1741. He bought "Swamp Experience" 9 Nov 1751 located
>between Elizabethtown [renamed Hagerstown] and the east bank of the
>Conococheague on a tributary named Rush Run near where McDade Road joins
>Broadfording Road. He and Stephen Willarick as administrators of
>George Willarick deceased late of Frederick County MD reported the value
>of the deceases property to the court 27 Aug 1753. He was ordained an
>Elder of the Conococheague and Antietam church in 1757. Joined by wife
>Susannah releasing dower, he sold his land to David Martin 8 May 1794.
>Circa 1801 Alexander Mack Jr mentions Nicholas Martin on a list of
>deceased "dear Brethren". Of the named six children, there is not
>further mention of Elizabeth. Anna Maria remained in Washington County
>MD. Hans Nicholas, David and Catharine lived in Franklin County PA.
>Daniel lived in Montgomery County OH.
>
>GESH
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Shuman [mailto:]
>Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:41 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [BRE] Maria/Mary and John MARTIN
>
>>Maria/Mary, wife of John Martin has been identified as an Ulrich but
>>IS NOT the daughter of Daniel and Christina Ulrich whose daughter
>>Maria/Mary married John Brumbaugh, proven by an estate deed record.
>>John Martin was named an executor of Daniel's Ulrich's estate
>>(relationship unexplained). Is there proof of the parents of Mary,
>>wife of John Martin? John Martin is the son of ___________________
>>and _____________________ ?
>>
>>Pat J.
>>
>Pat, As I recall, we went through a discussion regarding the two
>Marys, both daughters of a Daniel Ulrich, a couple of years ago or
>so. I will tell you what I now have in my data base, but I'm not
>certain I can find all the notes from the discussion at that time.
>
>The wife of John Nicholas Martin is:
>
>Mary ULRICH, daughter of Daniel ULRICH Sr & Catharine ( ); born abt
>1744 in Baltimore Co, MD; died in Bedford Co, PA aft 1825.
>
>John Nicholas MARTIN Sr. was born on 21 Aug 1742 in Lancaster Co, PA;
>died in Woodbury Twp, Bedford Co, PA in 1825. He was the son of Hans
>Nicholas MARTIN Sr (1721-1801) and Susanna ULRICH.
>
>Mary and Daniel were first cousins.
>
>Maria Ulrich who married John Brumbaugh was born about 1766, making
>her approximately 20 years younger. She was the niece of the older
>Mary.
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