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From: mills <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] Groh or Moyer
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:27:43 -0500
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Dawyne,

Happy to take a small part in this discussion, as it hits on relevant names
for me.

Who is the Meyer family living next to the Frantzes? If it is the family
of Jacob Meyer, his daughter Anna born prob late 1740's married John
Brubacher per his will. Another daughter of Jacob Meyer, Magdalena born
prob late 1740's, married John Groh. The marriages are per Jacob Meyer's
will.

Sharon






At 07:14 PM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hi Sharon,
>
>Thanks for studying my message about Anna Groh Frantz. The reason that I
>don't cite Matthias Groh's Will is because I have not seen it. I've only
>seen the abstract of his Will, which does not name children. Possibly,
>Richard Warren Davis has seen the Will, and that may be the source of his
>naming Anna Groh as Christian Frantz's wife.
>
>As for Anna Moyer, I can assure you that there is absolutely no evidence for
>her being the wife of Christian Frantz other than the fact that a
>Moyer/Meyer family lived next to them, and had real estate dealings with
>them. Her name got tossed out by the Matthias Frantz Clan in 1972 as
>possibly being the "Anna" who was married to Christian, but they never
>argued that there actually was an Anna Moyer in the neighborhood. All they
>did was seek a proximate (in the neighborhood) surname to go with a known
>given name of Anna.
>
>I still think that the preponderance of evidence has to go to Anna Groh, but
>I agree with you that we could settle matters by looking at the actual Will
>of Matthias Groh, or push Richard Warren Davis for his source.
>
>Dwayne
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "mills" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:09 PM
>Subject: [BRE] Groh or Moyer
>
>
>> Dwayne,
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> Matthias Gro/Groh died in 1771 and his Will was proven in July of that
>year.
>> It would seem that Matthias had advanced Christian and Anna Groh Frantz
>> money or property in the amount of 36 pounds, which was legally paid back
>in
>> the course of settling the estate. It was common practice for a father to
>> advance sums of money or pieces of property to his children (and their
>> spouses) upon or after their marriages, with the understanding that such
>> debts would not have to be repaid until settlement of the father's estate.
>>
>> Are you saying that the will of Matthias Gro/Groh specifically stated that
>> Christian Frantz and his wife Anna had borrowed money from him in the
>past,
>> with perhaps the stipulation that the borrowed amount be subtracted from
>> what they might have expected from his will?
>>
>> Ken Heeter very kindly sent me a copy of the will of Jacob Meyer,
>> referenced in several of your messages of a few weeks ago. In this
>> document Jacob named his children who might expect an inheritance. He
>> named the spouses of his daughters but not his sons. Then he listed the
>> amounts he had loaned them "in his life time", stipulating that these
>> monies were to be subtracted from their final share. In addition, he
>asked
>> that those who had received monies should hold back until those who hadn't
>> borrowed as much should receive their fair share.
>>
>> If this kind of language is in Mattias Groh's will, then I think you have
>a
>> case for "preponderance of evidence." Unless, of course, some one has
>> documents that support the Anna Moyer theory.
>>
>> Why not share the language of the will, which may not be as clear cut as
>> the Jacob Meyer will, in which Jacob identifes his children by name.
>>
>> Sharon Mills
>>
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