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From: Russell Morris <>
Subject: Re: BRETHREN-D Digest V99 #126
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:04:16 -0500


Thank you for the insight into the migration and into the history of the COB. I
enjoy your postings.

Russell Morris

wrote:

> Subject:
>
> BRETHREN-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 126
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 Re: Grace Brethren ["Ronald J. Gordon" <-]
> #2 KREIDER also Miller, Flory, Hoerne []
> #3 Re: Hiestandt [Barbara Archer <]
> #4 Re: Stump family [Bill & Dorothy Petry <]
> #5 Re: Longenecker/Lesher [MARY ELAINE LAW MILLER <marylaw@er]
> #6 Re: Stump family ["Charles Stouffer" <]
> #7 Shanifelt/Neishwander [Jewel & Willard McDaniel <jewilmc@]
> #8 Milk River Valley COB [Ed Peters <.]
> #9 Berthold, ND [Bill & Dorothy Petry <]
> #10 Re: Zern/Nebraska [Merle Rummel <>]
> #11 Re: Documenting no-record congrega [Mills <>]
> #12 Bosserman []
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> Subject: Re: Grace Brethren
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:36:58 -0500
> From: "Ronald J. Gordon" <>
> To:
>
> The BRETHREN Church split from the middle German Baptist Brethren group
> (later COB) in 1882, and the GRACE Brethren split from this new group in
> 1939. Please see complete listing at:
> http://www.cob-net.org/docs/groups.htm
> ...which also includes a large graphic chart depicting each group.
>
> Ron Gordon
>
> Peggy Ann Proctor wrote:
> >
> > Can someone in just a short paragraph tell me the difference between the
> > COB and Grace Brethren. I am familiar with COB. Peg Proctor
> >
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> Subject: KREIDER also Miller, Flory, Hoerner etc
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:39:12 EST
> From:
> To:
>
> Interesting. I have a Gertrude Miller who married David Kreider. Dates for
> her 1782-1851 Darke County OH, buried Old Harris Creek Cem. Montgomery Co. OH.
> They are parents of Barbara Crider Flory. Her parents are Isaac Miller and
> Barbara Yoder Miller Forney (possibly a Troyer marriage too?) (Barbara
> Crider Flory is m/o Emanuel Flory II and Daniel Flory.)
>
> My notes say "See FOBG summer 1991 p 31 for names of her other children, etc.
> in THE DAVID KREIDER FAMILY OF MONTGOMERY CO OHIO. Parents & DOM came from
> Amish & Amish Mennonite Geneals p 271 but gives no dates for children. Isaac
> is ML8 possibly b 1756??? David Kreider 1779-1844 apparently had 12 hcildren.
> This article also has information concerning Jacob Greider and his wife Eva
> Shultz, David Kreider's parents.
>
> The same article indicates that Jacob Greider 1744-1789 and Eva Shultz were
> parents of Bishop Tobias Kreider as well as David Kreider. Jacob is s/o
> Tobias Gryder and Anna Buckwalter. Some of my information concerning him
> came from PA Mennonite Heritage p 33 Oct 98., which also says that Jacob
> Greider 1744 is grandson of Jacob Krittor/Kreider/Gryder 1681-1741 and
> Elizabeth ---?
>
> Both magazine articles are well worth checking out.
>
> I also have a Cornelius Kreider who seems to belong to a different bunch. The
> Gibbel family history says, "Mr. Kreider, an immigrant from Wurtemburg,
> Germany, came to the vicinity of Manheim looking for employment. Since the
> Hoerner family had come from the same German provide, Mr. Kreider had no
> difficulty gaining employment with Andrew Hoerner and family, who took him
> into their home. One Sunday morning when there were no services in teh
> Hoerner house, Mr. Kreider asked for the use of a horse to go riding. That
> privilege being granted, he said he needed another horse. When asked 'Why two
> horses?' he replied that he was taking Lydia [Lydia G. Hoerner] with him. On
> their return, Lydia's twin sisters, Barbara and Mary, were not well pleased
> with her. They felt that she had 'beat them to it..' He later married
> Lydia.
>
> This Cornerlius Kreider "had connection with the Roman Catholic Church in the
> old country, but on making his home with the Andrew Hoerner family, he became
> a devout disciple of the Brethren. Evidence of this is in that he gave land
> for the erection of the Kreider's Brethren meeting house, and was instrumental
> in seeing to it that the building project was launched and brought to
> culmination..." Cornelius & Lydia Kreider had six children but I didn't
> record their names, since I was following a different Hoerner.
>
> Jan T
>
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> Subject: Re: Hiestandt
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:00:04 +0100
> From: Barbara Archer <>
> To:
>
> I have been following the Heistant postings with interest, since the
> name (spelled Heistand) appears in my Hershey lineage. Since the
> Hersheys were from Bern and the Heistand/t family from the Zurich
> canton, it is not surprising that the first Heistand that appears is is
> Catherine, m. John Hershey, b. ABT 1742, d. 1784. They lived in Warwick
> Twp., Lancaster Co.
>
> John's sister Elizabeth, b. ABT 1740, m. Jacob Heistand and lived in
> Hempfield Twp, Lancaster Co.
>
> The Hershey siblings were children of Christian Schnebeli Hershey, my
> emigrant ancestor.
>
> There may be other Heistands who married into this family; not all the
> spouses are known. Does anyone have more on Jacob and Catherine?
>
> Barbara
>
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> Subject: Re: Stump family
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:25:01 -0800
> From: Bill & Dorothy Petry <>
> To:
>
> My STUMP family is Benjamin STUMP b 1800 MD?PA, d 1877 Preble Co, OH; m
> Susannah PETRY b 1807 York Co, PA, d 1877 Preble Co, OH; both buried in
> the STUMP Cemetery, Preble Co, OH. Who were his parents? Mother -
> Margaret?
>
> Dorothy Petry
>
> Barbara Angelo wrote:
>
> > I, too, am looking for information on the Stump family. My Stump is
> > Catherine, married to Peter Royer who was born in 1737. Their son was
> > Peter b Aug. 17, 1776. That is all I have. Will appreciate any help.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Barbara
> >
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> Subject: Re: Longenecker/Lesher
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:38:37 -0500
> From: MARY ELAINE LAW MILLER <>
> To:
>
> Jack, My husband is a direct decendant of Henry Lesher,II and Sophrenia
> Zette, by way of thier son Christian Lesher and wife Catherine Streit.
> I do not have a wife for Henry Lesher,I. Have you found anything? Also
> what about Jacob Zette's wife, Freema Oberholtzer? Do you have anything
> more on this Oberholtzer connection?
> Mary Law Miller
>
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> Subject: Re: Stump family
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:32:54 -0500
> From: "Charles Stouffer" <>
> To:
>
> This is the Stumps I have. Charlie
>
> Descendants of Edwin Sylvester Stump - 15 Mar 1999
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> FIRST GENERATION
>
> 1. Edwin Sylvester Stump was born on 16 Jun 1875 in Krumsville, Greenwich
> Township. He died on 5 Jul 1948.
>
> He was married to Anna Elizabeth Hains (daughter of Simon Hains and Matilda
> Billman) on 15 Aug 1896 in Spangsville Church, Freidensburg, PA. Anna
> Elizabeth Hains was born on 27 Jun 1875. She died on 8 Aug 1959 in Berks
> Heim, Bern Township, Berks Co, PA. Edwin Sylvester Stump and Anna Elizabeth
> Hains had the following children:
>
> +2 i. Florence Stump.
> +3 ii. Lillian Mathilda Stump.
> +4 iii. Harvey L. Stump.
> +5 iv. Paul Simon Stump.
> 6 v. Leroy Stump was born on 20 Oct 1907.
> +7 vi. Anna Amanda Stump.
> +8 vii. Della (Mildred) Stump.
> +9 viii. Walter Sylvester Stump.
> 10 ix. John Albert Stump was born on 14 Mar 1916.
> +11 x. Harrison Haines Stump.
>
> SECOND GENERATION
>
> 2. Florence Stump was born on 18 May 1897.
>
> She was married to George Mundell on 25 Aug 1917.
>
> 3. Lillian Mathilda Stump was born on 3 Sep 1898. She died in Apr 1983 in
> Lancaster County, PA. (Zip Code 17601).
>
> 4. Harvey L. Stump was born on 8 Aug 1901. He died in Aug 1979 in Reading,
> PA..
>
> 5. Paul Simon Stump was born on 20 Oct 1903.
>
> 7. Anna Amanda Stump was born on 24 Sep 1909 in Reading, PA.
>
> She was married to Ronald Roscoe Fink on 1 Jan 1927. Anna Amanda Stump and
> Ronald Roscoe Fink had the following children:
>
> +12 i. Janice Ann Fink.
>
> 8. Della (Mildred) Stump was born on 27 Jul 1911.
>
> She was married to Horace Neff in 1941.
>
> 9. Walter Sylvester Stump was born on 30 Apr 1914.
>
> 11. Harrison Haines Stump was born on 10 Jul 1922.
>
> He was married to Shirley Rightmyer on 3 Aug 1946.
>
> THIRD GENERATION
>
> 12. Janice Ann Fink was born on 18 May 1936.
>
> She was married to Wedall Smith on 4 Jul 1953 in Wichita, KS..
>
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> Subject: Shanifelt/Neishwander
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:57:08 -0800
> From: Jewel & Willard McDaniel <>
> To:
>
> David Shanifelt married 25 May 1801 Mary Neishwander/Nighswander/
> Neuenschwander--or any other spelling. Mary was born @ 1777.
> Does anyone have any descendants of this couple?
> Mary was the 7th child of John (Hans) Neuenschwander, an immigrant from
> SW in 1754, along with his brothers Christian and Isaac and their
> widowed mother.
> Jewel McDaniel
>
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> Subject: Milk River Valley COB
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:36:01 -0800
> From: Ed Peters <>
> To:
>
> Hi all
>
> I am looking for Jonas J. Peters, b. 3 Jan 1870 at Walkerton, IN., m.
> Saloma Ulery.
>
> My information says he died 27 Oct 1944 at Harney, MT. I can't find
> that on a current MT map. It also indicates he was an Elder in the COB
> at Milk River Valley, MT.
>
> I am beginning to doubt this info. Can anyone provide a clue?
>
> Ed
>
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> Subject: Berthold, ND
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:14:45 -0800
> From: Bill & Dorothy Petry <>
> To:
>
> Merle,
>
> I would appreciate any information/stories you may have on the forming
> of the church at Berthold, ND and especially anything involving Stephen
> S. PETRY.
> Thanks.
> Dorothy Petry
>
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> Subject: Re: Zern/Nebraska
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:08:20 -0500
> From: Merle Rummel <>
> To:
>
> >Yes, Jacob Zern was a Dunker-or that's how my grandfather referred to him.
> >I know he moved from Ohio to Henry County IN where he met and married
> >Catherine Clapper.
> >
> >Russell Morris
> >Brookfield, CT
> >
> >> In Hamilton Co OH, of that time, the only Dunker/Brethren group that I know
> >> of was on Mill Creek
>
> >>- now I-71, just east of modern down town Cincinnati,
> >> and I know only a couple of the families (Kessler, Custer).
>
> I stand corrected - Mill Creek is the valley I-75 follows south to the Ohio
> River. The Kessler and Custer families also came to the Wayne County/
> Henry County IN area - this is Hagerstown IN/Nettle Creek Church, and south
> to US40.
> The Kessler/Custers lived at Dublin, which was a major Universalist Center.
>
> The migration from this area followed the old Delaware Indian Road to
> Muncie, and corresponding Indian Roads to the Lafayette In area, and on
> Bloomington IL, to Peoria IL, to Rock Island IL/Davenport IA.
>
> [I had EARLY settlers from here (Four Mile Church) going to Nebraska -
> Samuel Eikenberry (wife: Martha Crawford) was on the Nebraska Territorial
> Assembly and the State Constitutional Convention (his dates were 1837 to
> Iowa, and a 49er to California). Do any of you have a date for him in
> Nebraska? -the State was organized in 1854.]
>
> Later migrations usually took the National Road to St Louis MO and up the
> river (the National Road went west from Richmond IN in 1836 -for Vandalia
> IL, but was completed to the Missouri River at St Louis).
>
> Merle Rummel
> Church Historian
>
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> Subject: Re: Documenting no-record congregations
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:27:08 -0500
> From: Mills <>
> To:
>
> The fact that Nat Bryan couldn't find records, which Merle Rummel confirmed
> are nonexistent, makes it more important for all of us to post these items.
> There were five people in Nat's post which are now known to be in that
> church (location clarified by Merle) in 1888.
>
> Should help someone,
>
> Sharon
>
> At 06:44 AM 3/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>My mother-in-law has a letter (below), but she is unable to follow up on it
> >>since she cannot locate a Hortonville CoB (She researches: SWITZER,
> >>DETTWEILER, FUNKHOUSER, HEPNER). We looked in the book, "Planting The Faith
> >>In A New Land: The History of the Church of the Brethren in Indiana," by
> >>Steve Bowers but we could not find it. The letter is as follows:
> >>
> >>August 13, 1888
> >>
> >>We the undersigned mambers of the German Baptist Brethren church at
> >>Hortonville Hamilton county Indiana, Do certify that Banjamin and Susana
> >>Switzer are mambers and are in full felowship with the church and as such we
> >>recomand them to hoom this may concern
> >>Sind in behalf of the church
> >>Elder John W. Metzger
> >>Peter Kinzer
> >>Joel Robbing
> >>
> >>Any suggestions/info are appreciated.
> >>
> >>Nat Bryan,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >This looks like it is one of the several meeting houses of the old Stoney
> >Creek Congregation. I was an interim pastor at Beech Grove Church, which
> >took over the eastern part of old Stoney Creek, the Arcadia Church took
> >over the north central part of Hamilton County IN. I wasn't able to find
> >any type of Church Records of Stoney Creek when I was there, I got a few
> >old stories of the Beech Grove families, but that was all.
> >
> >Merle Rummel
> >Church Historian
> >
> >
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> Subject: Bosserman
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:29:32 EST
> From:
> To:
>
> Joe,
>
> This one's for you...
>
> Are you aware of any siblings of Johann Michael Bosserman, b. 19 Dec 1726 who
> married Christina Dierdorff, b. 1742? Also was there another marriage for
> Johan Michael considering the age of Christina? Especially in light of their
> daughter Susanna born 20 Aug 1756.
>
> Also:
>
> Specifically, I am looking for William Bauserman who had a daughter, Mary, b.
> 1 Dec 1778 in Shenandoah County, Virginia. She married on 29 May 1808 in
> Shenandoah County, VA a Jacob Golladay, b. 25 Aug 1785 at Powell's Fort,
> Shennandoah, VA.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don

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