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Hi lists, I received this from another list I belong to, and thought is most
appropriate to all names. Myrna



In a message dated 8/14/2000 4:45:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

<< Would anyone care to hazzard a guess as to the populations of the largest
towns in Ulster in the census of 1659?

We live in country with a population approching 275 million people and it is
difficult to think of a society where the largest town has fewer people than
good sized suburban neighborhood. Well here are the populations of the
eight
LARGEST towns in Ulster according to Jonathan Bardon's "History of Ulster,"
page 146.

Derry (population 1,052); Carrickfergus (962), Coleraine (633), Belfast
(589), Armagh (409), Lisburn (357), Downpatrick (308), and Enniskillen
(210).
What this tells the researcher is when you can tie a specific person to a
definite location in the 1600's in Ireland you are on the something. These
settlers who came from Scotland and served on the various plantations for
the
benefit of the Lord Montgomery's and Hamiltons, and Colquhouns for the most
part were soldiers or merchants and they came one by one, had families and
hung around unless they were killed during the many uprisings and famines.
How many different distinct genealogical lines made up the poulation of
Belfast consdering there were 589 people in total. The probability of there
being several unrelated lines of any one family is quite small.

We think of the great migration to Pennsylvania in much the same light.
History books tell us that THOUSANDS came in relentless waves on never
ending
ships, one after another.

Listen to what Bardon says on page 177 of the same work:

This migration across the Atlantic got under way just at the time that the
coming of Scots into Ulster had almost completely ceased. Catholics had
neither the resources nor the inclination to go to colonies, which were in
any case overwhelmingly Protestant. The momentum of Presbyterian emigration
gathered pace -around 3,500 left Ulster between 1725 and 1727-to reach a
peak
in 1728-9. Thomas Whitney, a seaman waiting to sail from Larne Lough, wrote
in July 1728:

"Here are a vast number of people shipping off for Pennsylvania and Boston,
here are three ships at Larne, five at Derry, two at Coleraine, three at
Belfast, and four at Sligo." This gives an idea from where they left and to
where they were going during the precise time the Walkers and Cowans were
alleged to have sailed.

Three thosand or five thosand, still what we would call a village-this great
wave of humanity wouldn't fill a decent high school football stadium on a
nice Friday evening.

We are a tight group-this little band of warriors. >>


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Would anyone care to hazzard a guess as to the populations of the largest
towns in Ulster in the census of 1659?

We live in country with a population approching 275 million people and it is
difficult to think of a society where the largest town has fewer people than
good sized suburban neighborhood. Well here are the populations of the eight
LARGEST towns in Ulster according to Jonathan Bardon's "History of Ulster,"
page 146.

Derry (population 1,052); Carrickfergus (962), Coleraine (633), Belfast
(589), Armagh (409), Lisburn (357), Downpatrick (308), and Enniskillen (210).
What this tells the researcher is when you can tie a specific person to a
definite location in the 1600's in Ireland you are on the something. These
settlers who came from Scotland and served on the various plantations for the
benefit of the Lord Montgomery's and Hamiltons, and Colquhouns for the most
part were soldiers or merchants and they came one by one, had families and
hung around unless they were killed during the many uprisings and famines.
How many different distinct genealogical lines made up the poulation of
Belfast consdering there were 589 people in total. The probability of there
being several unrelated lines of any one family is quite small.

We think of the great migration to Pennsylvania in much the same light.
History books tell us that THOUSANDS came in relentless waves on never ending
ships, one after another.

Listen to what Bardon says on page 177 of the same work:

This migration across the Atlantic got under way just at the time that the
coming of Scots into Ulster had almost completely ceased. Catholics had
neither the resources nor the inclination to go to colonies, which were in
any case overwhelmingly Protestant. The momentum of Presbyterian emigration
gathered pace -around 3,500 left Ulster between 1725 and 1727-to reach a peak
in 1728-9. Thomas Whitney, a seaman waiting to sail from Larne Lough, wrote
in July 1728:

"Here are a vast number of people shipping off for Pennsylvania and Boston,
here are three ships at Larne, five at Derry, two at Coleraine, three at
Belfast, and four at Sligo." This gives an idea from where they left and to
where they were going during the precise time the Walkers and Cowans were
alleged to have sailed.

Three thosand or five thosand, still what we would call a village-this great
wave of humanity wouldn't fill a decent high school football stadium on a
nice Friday evening.

We are a tight group-this little band of warriors.

Regards,
Robert Cowan from cool North Carolina


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