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From: "John M. Winslow, Jr." <>
Subject: [BLACK-L] Black/Leslie
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:20:30 -0500

Dear Margaret,
Alexander Leslie and Ann Duff were my 5th great grandparents. I don't know
how Alexander Black might enter into the equation, but I'm certainly
interested and would like to find out. As you can see by my query, my Black
line is from Scotland, and lots of Alexanders, both the Leslie and Black
lines.


John (Juan) Leslie "married" (see notes) Elizabeth Cain (Kean) and had three
girls, all of whom died young.
Notes on Elizabeth Cain:
A native of East Florida.
"In 1789, John Leslie married seventeen-year-old Elizabeth Cain, a native of
East Florida. she styled herself Eliza, but her name is consistantly spelled
"Isabel Kean" in the Spanish records. (Indian Traders of the Southeastern
Spanish Borderlands - Panton, Leslie & Company and John Forbes & Company,
1783-1847, pg 46; Note #78; Since the marriage does not appear in the
records of the Catholic Church in St. Augustine, there has been speculation
that he never officially married. On October 29, 1789, John Wells wrote to
Leslie, congratulating him on his recent marriage; BSC NYHS. On Elizabeth
Cain's name, see Will of John Leslie, Prob. 11, vol. 1411, no. 487, folios
364-66 [proved July 16, 1804], PROL. It is also evident that Leslie had a
muletto son, Billi, whom he left well provided for; ibit.)

Below are notes on John (Juan) Leslie from various sources.
Witnesses for Christening: John Duff, grandfather to the Child.
Re: Grip Fast by Alexander Leslie Klieforth:
John Leslie died in England during the spring of 1804, in his mid fifties,
never having married, but for years in Florida he had had a liason with one
Isabel Kean by whom he had three children, all of whom died in infancy.
Although both founding partners were now dead, Panton, Leslie continued in
business. John's younger brother Robert had joined as a junior partner in
1792, so a Leslie remained in the firm. After the 1812 War Panton, Leslie
was of service to the United States government in its acquisition of eight
million acres of Indian land in payment of a large sum owed by the Creeks,
Cherokees, Chickasaws and Choctaws for goods supplied on credit by Panton,
Leslie.


Wish I could shed some light on Capt. Alexander Black, but have none at this
time.

Also, please e-mail me at my primary e-mail address: (and
include all the Black stuff in for others if you see
fit)

Thanks for the repy,
John Winslow, Kerrville, Texas

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>From: Margaret Black <>
>To:
>Subject: James Black
>Date: Thu, Oct 28, 1999, 2:48 PM
>

> Dear Mr. Winslow
>
> I may have written you before regarding your James Black but, since I am
> still searching for my husband's gggrandfather I thought I would repond
> with some information I have that might help us both. I think you will see
> why I am interested in your line.
>
> George's(my husband) grandfather was born in FL around 1860. I really
> believe it was 1859 and since he was obviously a little confused about the
> date himself I say around 1860. He was the son of Felicia Buchany Bravo; a
> woman who as the story goes married Capt. Black because she had four
> children and needed someone to help her take care of them. She later
> married three other times and I don't know what the reason for those
> marriages but she had quite a life. Capt. Black was Alexander Black. They
> were married in 1852. Beyond that I know nothing about him other than the
> family story of the Bravos (Felicia's first husband's family) that they
> moved to Louisiana. She was back in Florida in 1860 because she appears in
> the census with some of her children and she married again in 1862. In
> researching the Buchanys in Florida there are some names that appear in
> records near the family. First of all there is an Alexander Black that
> appears in 1823 in the Spanish land grants with an Andrew McDowell and
> these records are connected with the Clarke family. In fact a woman named
> Honore Clarke later appears as Honore Black. Honore Black is found in 1793
> in the house of Juan Leslie who is the son of Alexander Leslie and Ana Duff
> and Isabel Kean his wife. Joseph Clarke and Honoria Cummings age 18 are
> apprentices. The Leslies are of Scotland and have a large concern. I am
> sure this is very confusing but in this story somewhere is a link to my
> Alexander Black.
>
> Does any of this ring a bell?
>
> Thanks
>
> Margaret Black
>

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