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From: Erin Bradford <>
Subject: From the list owner--Important!!
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:29:42 -0700 (PDT)

Hello everybody. I told you all I closed the lists and my reasons for doing
that. Here is a copy of an email I received yesterday from the BIRD-L
mailing list of what each of you can do if you get spammed. Please save
this message for future refernce:) I do realize this is long, but it has
good information in it.
-Erin
----------------------------Forwared
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>Well my lists are all now on restricted. Here is some information I have
>been picking up just today on how to report spammers. I wrote one individual
>who asked about spamming, and thought after I had sent the message I should
>send one to my lists. I personally get junk mail every day, to each of my
>screen names.
>
>The first thing you should do, is never forward it back to them, don't reply,
>and don't use the address that they tell you to send a message to, to be
>removed from their list. If you do, they will be able to confirm that it is
>a good e-mail address, and you will get more junkmail.
>
>Here is what I have been doing up until today, when I found more that I can
>do. If the junk mail has an address I am pretty sure is no good, my being on
>AOL I just forward it to TOSspam. Any one on AOL needs to send any unwanted
>junkmail to that address. This way AOL can try and locate the source and
>block them from sending any more to AOL. Also, especially important is if
>the sending has an AOL address, they are knocked off AOL.
>
>Each of you on other online services should find out if they have an address
>where junk mail should be found. Now, regarding getting mail from other well
>known addresses, I forward them to , ,
>, . Now from some of them, and others (if
>you recognize a well known name, just put abuse@ and address) you will get an
>automatic reply which will tell you they need certain headers, don't worry
>about it as when you forwarded the mail they got all of them.
>
>For those of you that are on Prodigy Classic you can go to
>http://antares.prodigy.com/junkmail/page1.htm
>I just picked this up in my Genealogy: Missing Links, Vol. 2, No. 30
>yesterday.
>
>I also suggest you send all, CC: to this address I got today-
>, first government address I got. Maybe if they started
>getting a lot of forwarded junkmail they would realize how bad it really is.
>
>From our Listowners mail I picked this up from Tim Pierce
>He wrote:
>There are already several newsgroups that are used to announce and alert
>people to new spans:
>
>news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins Bulletins of action about net abuse.
>(Moderated)
>news.admin,net-abuse.email Discussion of abuse of email systems.
>news.admin.net-abuse.policy Discussion of net abuse policy. (Moderated)
>news.admin.net-abuse.sightings Sighting of net abuse. (Moderated)
>
>The .email group is rather noisy, being unmoderated. I suspect that either
>.bulletins or .sightings would be of more intrest to folks on this list. I
>realize that many people are leery of reading Usernet newsgroups because of
>getting their addresses slurped up, but here's a helpful thing to keep in
>mind: if you don't "post", the spammers won't get your addresses from Usenet.
> Just reading a group is about as harmless a thing as you can do.
>
>Also from Tim Pierce I picked this up from Listowners mailing list.
>
>Spam fighting tip: If you want to complain to a provider's ISP, don't reply
>to the spam. Say you got a message from '". Mail
>(forward - mine) a copy of the spam with a complaint to
>"' -- this complaint forwarding service, set up by
>net old.timer John Levine, will try to figure out the right administrative
>address for that domain and send it to the correct place. Very handy stuff.
>
>And of course, sign up with CAUCE http://www.cauce.org, if you haven't
>already.
>
>Now I also picked this up on KYROOTS from Michael Brown. This is exactly
>what he wrote about Unwanted Email.
>
>Getting unwanted advertising through your email, send this to their ISP to
>stop it:
>
>Offence under US code Title 47, Sec 277(b) (1) (C)
>I have recently received UNSOLICITED and UNWANTED junk e-mail from an
>individual who appears to be using your site. A copy of that mail is
>attached herewith. Junk Mail is now regarded as the same as unwatned and
>unsolicited junk faxes and telemarketing calls - all of which are now ILLEGAL
>under US federal law:
>
> By US Code Title 47, Sec. 227 (a) (2) (B), a computer/modem/printer
> meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec. 227 (b) (1)
> (C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisment to such
> equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or
> $500.00, whichever is greater, for EACH violation.
>
>Please ensure this is stopped NOW> You have been put on notice. If you
>confirm to me promptly that effective action has been taken against those
>persons responsible, I will not take the matter further on this occasion.
>
>I will separately notify your upstread providers as they may also be liable
>for violations originating from your site.
>
>It's the law! Don't know how to find their ISP? See the following example:
>
>You get an email from (made up email address I hope!)
>
>Take his ISP from he email which is BINET.COM, att the http://www. To it:
>
>http://www.BINET.COM
>
>Go to the URL and find the email address to the webmaster or service master.
> Send them the legal statement above. General, it will be
>, or , or
>
>This has worked for me!
>
>Michael
>
>
>Now, (me again), I have not checked this US code Title myself. I will try to
>find it. Not sure I would write exactly what he said, but going to their
>URL, and sending a message say I had received unwanted and unsolicited e-mail
>from someone on appears to be using their site, might just quote the Title
>number and ask them to please take action again them, or some thing like
>that. But I did want you to know that there is now more action we can take
>against them. I believe there are now two bills being acted on, either in
>the House or Congress, I forgot which. If you check the address for CAUCE
>you can find out more about it. One is to totally stop all the junk mail.
> The other is for the ISP's to filter them out. One big company that
>produces, I believe the majority of junk mail, says he does not care, they
>will not stop him, and he will pay any and all fines, and it will not bother
>his company at all. He will continue to get around them. That is why one
>bill is to stop any and all junkmail. With ISP's filtering, he has a very
>good chance to get through any way.
>
>Hope this has helped some of you. I know I am tired of all the junk mail I
>get. I will say one thing, I love reporting to TOSspam on AOL, especially if
>they have an AOL address. I know soon they will not be there, of course they
>will sign up under another name and start again, but maybe after a while,
>they will get tired of it. I am a distributor for PetGuardian, on that I am
>always getting junk mail about having my business be sent to targeted people
>by bulk mail. This is the junk mail. I know that even if targeted people,
>it is still unsolicited and I will not advertised my web site that way. I
>would not want to do to people what is happening to me. Besides, knowing
>them, they would probably send me my own e-mailing.
>
>Well this has been a long one, I apoligize, but I think this junk mail is
>getting out of hand. So maybe with some of the information I have sent we
>can help cut it down.
>
>Sharon Straight
>
>List Owner
>DRUMM
>ALLEN-NEW-ENGLAND/NY/NJ/PA
>BUCKLEY
>STRAIGHT
>BIRD

Erin Bradford
Listowner for Black Mailing List
(at this address until August 20, 1997)
(at this address now and after August 20, 1997)
http://members.tripod.com/~Kshai/genealogy.html (my surnames)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6106/genlinks.html (+700 genealogy
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