BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS-L Archives

Archiver > BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS > 2013-02 > 1361924292


From:
Subject: Re: [BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS] Fw: German Conscription
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:18:12 -0800 (PST)
References: <1361920816.99807.YahooMailNeo@web161503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><20130227000811.D1XMD.57961.root@hrndva-web16-z01>
In-Reply-To: <20130227000811.D1XMD.57961.root@hrndva-web16-z01>


Thanks Katherine...I have all yhr info after they got here, but I havem't been able to locate exactly where they came from.
Sandra


>________________________________
> From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS] Fw: German Conscription
>
>Not sure if this helps, but I found Andrew Schoppelrei and Margreth Schoppelrei in the 1880 Federal Census in Columbus, Franklin, Ohio. Household members:
>Andrew Schoppelrei     52
>Margreth Schoppelrei     50
>Charls Schoppelrei     19
>Joseph Schoppelrei     11
>
>Marital Status:     Married
>Spouse's Name:     Margreth Schoppelrei
>Father's Birthplace:     Bawari
>[Bavaria / Bayern]
>Mother's Birthplace:     Bawari
>[Bavaria / Bayern]
>
>Hope this helps.
>Katherine
>---- wrote:
>> Our ancestors...Andreas and Margarethe Schoppelrei (who considered themselves Bavarian according to later censi) and their 3 boys & 2 girls left (I think without permission...and possibly at night & in a row boat ) their home, mill,  plum orchard, bakery & cattle located on or near the border with Alsace-Lorraine & on or near the Rhine river about 1867/8. According to family lore, they left because of impending conflict. Their property was later turned into a childrens' home. They were a Catholic family. Would this likely have been from what is now the Pfaltz or Alsace-Lorraine? And from where would they likely have boarded ship?
>> Any help appreciated
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: "" <>
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:35 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS] Fw:  German Conscription
>> > 
>> >Conscription also took place in Alsace:
>> >
>> >Yearbook: St Joseph Catholic Church - Island Grove - 1974.
>> >
>> >Joseph Einhorn Sr and his wife Mary Weishaar Einhorn  and their seven 
>> >children left their home in Alsace France and crossed the Atlantic Ocean by 
>> >boat.  A trip of about four weeks.  Since no boys were to leave the  country,
>> >they were disguised in little girl's apparel to make the trip.   They were
>> >notified by the government to return to serve with the armed forces  but those
>> >orders were never carried out.
>> >
>> >They left their home in Alsace, France between 1866 and 1867.
>> >
>> >Ronald Repking
>> >
>> >
>> >In a message dated 2/20/13 1:39:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
>> > writes:
>> >
>> >Was  there conscription in Munich around 1899 or 1900?
>> >Thank  you,
>> >Katherine
>> >---- wrote:
>> >> Thank you for your  story-but can't even fathom their heartache at the
>> >death of the son they had  to leave behind.
>> >---- Withington Family <>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Withington  Family
>> >Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:41 PM
>> >To: 
>> >Subject: Re: [BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS] German  Conscription
>> >
>> >Conscription  into the Bavarian Army ,I believe.  certainly existed in Baden
>> >in the 1850's . Apparently officials went  through the villages taking  the
>> >boys as they turned 16.
>> >My  ancestors Peter Hoffmann  left Baden left legally... I have a copy  of
>> >their "permission to leave"... in 1852  with his wife and  9  sons under 16
>> >years because their eldest son was conscripted ,and  they  wanted to avoid
>> >the same fate for his brothers. Permission  was   fore  emigration   to
>> >North
>> >America but  instead  they  set sail for Australia, after answering  a
>> >newspaper advertisement for grape growers to start the industry in NSW.  His
>> >brother Anton is said to have already gone to America,but since it is  such
>> >a
>> >common name. I have never managed to track him down. Unfortunately  their
>> >son
>> >did not survive long enough in the army to join them in  Australia.
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: JOHN SCHMAL
>> >Sent:  Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:43 AM
>> >To: 
>> >Subject: [BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS] German  Conscription
>> >
>> >
>> >Conscription existed in Baden but I don't know the  years, as for Prussia
>> >and
>> >Bavaria, see below:
>> >
>> >When Prussia was  defeated in1806/07 (Battle of Jena and Auerstedt against
>> >the French) the  militaryreformers wanted "Wehrpflicht" for all. Since 1813
>> >practically  eachmale Prussian citizen was liable for military service until
>> >he turned  50 yearsold. There was not more allowance for service 
>> >replacements
>> >tolerated as it wascustomary in French and Rheinbund  conscription laws.
>> >
>> >20-23 year old males now had tobe on active duty for  3 years in times of
>> >peace. In times of war all males upto 50 years of age  were called to active
>> >duty. In 1813/15 approx. 3% ofPrussian males were  enlisted.
>> >
>> >Laws about military duty werelegal by 1814/15. Each Prussian  province had a
>> >general comissioner(Generalkommissar), who was in contact  with the Amt
>> >(Kreisausschuss orLandwehrausschuss) regulating the levying of  the male
>> >population. TheKreisausschuss consisted of an officer, the  Landrath and the
>> >manor lord(Gutsbesitzer). They conducted yearly  inspections of the recruits
>> >anddetermined their fitness for service.  Accordingly men were assigned to
>> >theinfantery, cavallery or service at the  garrison. After the inspection,
>> >the menwere sent home. When they received  their draft papers, they were
>> >shipped totheir regiments.
>> >
>> >Source:  Klöffler, Martin. Materialienzu den Aushebungen der preussischen
>> >Landwehr  1813-15
>> >
>> >MilitaryService in the Kingdom of Bavaria (1818 and following  years)
>> >*The conscription was based on the Bavarian Constitution of May,  1808
>> >andthe Bavarian Constitution of May 1818
>> >*Every Bavarian citizen  must pay taxes and render military service.
>> >Recruitingis done by casting  lots. All young men who have attained the
>> >ageof 21 years are liable to  military duty. The length of service required
>> >-is 6 years in the *Standing  army*
>> >-and afterwards services in the *Landwehr*
>> >(after1868 limited to 5  years in the *Landwehr ,
>> >in1870 *Landwehr* was abolished)
>> >Substitutesare  no longer allowed after 1868
>> >Itseems that men could absolve themselves from  service in the"Landwehr"
>> >throughpayments of so-called  "Reluitionen".
>> >
>> >
>> >Source:
>> >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS/2005-02/110
>> >7547246
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------------------------
>> >To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email  to
>> > with the word 'unsubscribe'  without
>> >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------------------------
>> >To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to
>> > with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the
>> >subject and the body of the  message
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------------------------
>> >To unsubscribe from  the list, please send an email to
>> > with  the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the
>> >subject and the body of the  message
>> >
>> >--
>> >Shalom,
>> >Katherine Cooper
>> >Travel is fatal to  prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> >our people need it  sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable
>> >views of men and things  cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little
>> >corner of the earth all one's  lifetime.
>> >- Innocents  Abroad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------------------------
>> >To unsubscribe  from the list, please send an email to
>> >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the
>> >subject and the body of  the message
>> >
>> >-------------------------------
>> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> 
>> -------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>--
>Shalom,
>Katherine Cooper
>Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.
>- Innocents Abroad
>
>
>
>
>


This thread: