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From: "elshie" <>
Subject: Re: [A.G.R. ] Where can I research for a person Born At Sea
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:24:06 -0000
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Shirley, I know the NSW bdms includes persons born/died at sea - Marine
Births, Marine Deaths - in its registry. Maybe was the same for the other
States. Did you check these? Also, in that period less emphasis was put on
the status of British- and Aussie-born people than, say, on the status of
anyone born elsewhere. It would be natural to describe yourself as "British"
if born on a British ship in international waters, even if you grew up in
Australia. Wonder who issued him with the identity card that was sufficient
for enlisting in the RAAF, and to marry; does anyone know who issued such
cards, at what age (e.g. adulthood?), and on what basis?

Elaine
Elaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Cocks" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [A.G.R. ] Where can I research for a person Born At Sea


> Hi Shirley,
> I love a mystery!
> Your father in law, did he have to have a Birth Cert when he married? I
> guess not or you would have had that and worked from that.
> I found a short mention of the Themosticles on the Net, but really nothing
> like what you are after. I am wondering if he is listed as British, would
> he have applied for Australian Citizenship, there are a lot of citizenship
> records on the National Archives website.
> What I did find for the Themistocles is on "The Edwardes Collection Index"
> and it says
> THEMISTOCLES
> Steel twin screw steamship. ON129349, 11231 gross, 7045 net tons.
> 500.6x62.3x39.4. Built 1911 (1) Harland & Wolff, Belfast, twin quadruple
> expansion recip steam engines, 1075nhp, bu shipbuilder. Owners: Geo
> Thompson & Co., (aberdeen line) registered aberdeen. 1932 Shaw, Savill &
> Albion Ltd. Broken up 1947.
> see North star to Southern Cross Maber 1967
> vol. 83. Section 2 No. 65.
> So, not a lot - I am wondering though abt Nat records, I'll have a look.
> Regards,
> Steph in Adelaide..
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S & T Hayes" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:17 PM
> Subject: [A.G.R. ] Where can I research for a person Born At Sea
>
>
>> Hi everyone, I have a solid brick wall that I cannot even chip away at.
>> My husband's father has it marked on his RAAF records that he was "born
>> at sea". The ship he said he was born on, the government could find no
>> record of him being on that ship.
>> Ship was S. S. Themistocles He was born on 16.01.1920
>> He listed himself as British and his parents as British.
>> Thomas Patrick HAYES had only an "Identity Card" to show when he joined
>> the RAAF.
>> He married in Sth. Aust. And when they divorced the marriage certificate
>> states the divorce was granted in Victoria. (His home state). So far we
>> have paid for searches of the divorce records for 1945 in Sth. Australia
>> and Victoria and neither shows a divorce being granted to Thomas and
>> Betty HAYES. Betty did re-marry in 1945 in South Australia so she must
>> have had to show her divorce papers.
>> My question is: 1. where else can I look for records on people Born At
>> Sea.
>> 2. Would the church in Strathalbyn (S.A.), where Betty
>> re-married. Be able to inform me (from their marriage records) where the
>> divorce was granted?
>> Sorry for all the questions but as my husband has never known his father
>> it would be at least nice to try and get some background on this
>> gentleman.
>> TIA Shirley Hayes Queensland
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