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From: "Ian James Thomas" <>
Subject: RE: John McLEAN
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:33:53 +1100
In-Reply-To: <000001c0ab56$e46d9d60$08a8fea9@oemcomputer>


Dear Leighanne,
Thank you very much for your advice. Very kind.
Where would I find the muster rolls for various units?
Is it in the Mitchell Library? Do you have an exact name for the book? I
might be able to get my local library to get a copy. I have a 6 month old
baby boy so the time I can spend in any one place is limited to a few hours
between feeds.
You may be right, he may have changed regiments when he was here. I've
certainly been checking all the various possible spellings for his name.

Thank you again for your help.

Ian Thomas

Ph/Fax: +61 2 9626 0511
E-mail: <mailto:>


-----Original Message-----
From: Leighanne Boyd [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2001 9:44 PM
To: Ian James Thomas
Subject: Re: John McLEAN


Ian
I did post these a week or so ago but you may have missed
it.

(i) What other military units were in Australia in 1825?

>From the Australian Joint Copying Project, part 4, War
Office it has the following British
Regiments in Australia during the period of the three
Veterans units:-

Dec. 1822 - Dec. 1827 3rd Regt East Kent (Buffs)
Jan. 1831 - March 1838 4th Regt Royal Lancaster (King's
Own)
Feb. 1811 - Dec. 1813 14th Regt West Yorkshire (Prince of
Wales Own)
Dec. 1828 - March 1836 17th Regt Leicestershire
Aug. 1832 - March 1841 21st Regt Royal Scots Fusiliers
April 1835 - March 1843 28th Regt North Gloucertershire
Dec 1824 - March 1833 39th Regt Dorsetshire
Dec 1823 - Dec 1828 40th Regt 2nd Somersetshire
Dec 1815 - Dec 1824 48th Regt Northamptonshire
Dec 1824 - Dec 1831 57th Regt West Middlesex
Dec 1827 - March 1834 63rd Regt West Suffolk
Dec 1808 - Dec 1815 73rd Regt Highland
Jan 1811 - Dec 1816 78th Regt Highland
Jan 1811 - Dec 1813 89th Regt

I might have missed the East Suffolk Regiment but I do not
think so but you could check at the Mitchell Library to make
sure. You might need to look at some of the other regiments
who came out in 1817 to see if he is on their muster rolls.

As William said you may need to look at various spelling for
McClean - McLean might be one alternative that you could
look up.

Mike Boyd
Brisbane
12/3/2001
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian James Thomas <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, 12 March, 2001 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: John McLEAN


> Dear William,
> Thank you for your thoughts.
> All we have is his marriage certificate which shows he
married Susanah
> CRUISE January 1834 at St Mary's Cathedral.
> The certificate says he arrived per the "Champion" 1817.
> I have checked the John McLEANs of the "Lusitania" 1823,
the "Mistral" 1825
> and the "Ocean" and already ruled them out.
> We've explored all the possible convicts, different
spellings, alias and any
> other variations.
>
> There was a John McCLEAN in the British Army Records
1788 -1870.
> Possibly in the 1/12 East Suffolk Regiment of Foot.
> That's why I thought I might try the AUS_MILITARY list.
> Do you know where I might get information on this
regiment?
> His death certificate shows he was probably born 1789.
>
> If he came free I don't know why he would have lied about
his arrival.
> We suspect he may have been a man with a past to hide.
> Maybe he was a "redcoat" and wanted to hide that fact.
>
> Thank you again for your ideas.
> Ian Thomas
>
> Ph/Fax: +61 2 9626 0511
> E-mail:
<mailto:>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Moppett [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2001 3:44 PM
> To:
> Subject: John McLEAN
>
>
> Hi,
>
> There is a John McLEAN , came free Lusitania 1823,
employed by J. Campbell
> at Paramatta, #31413 1823,4,5 General Muster & Lists
>
> I suspect he is the same John McLEAN, shewn as arrived
free 1821, gardener
> to John McARTHUR at Paramatta, aged 32 in 1828 census
#M1040
>
> There is a John McLEAN who arrived in 1817, also aged 32,
but a 14year
> convict, who arrived on Ocean, and was a carpenter, in
Gloucester St.,
> Sydney, with a colonial born wife Sarah, in 1828 census
#M1041
>
> A much younger John McLEAN aged 23 arrived 1825 Minstrel,
convict 14 yr
> sentance, a stockman to Wm. COX at Hobartville, Richmond,
1828 census
> #M1050.
>
> I suggest you consider:
> (a)possible error in detail of records
> (b)records may be incomplete, and the marriage certificate
is accurate
> (c) untill quite recently 'the convict stain' was
something to be concealed,
> and convicts who had been pardoned or served out their
sentances represented
> to census/muster data collectors that they came free.
>
> I dont know if this helps
>
> William Moppett
>
>
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