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From: Marsha Boles <>
Subject: [ARIZARD] Orphaned
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:32:33 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <EF37DD22-ADF1-40CB-A2B4-305F820C2FBB@earthlink.net>


Pansylea,
I've got about 35 Howard's in FTM. No stong trees. Most seem to have MO ties.
Only Baxter seperates Marion and Izard, are you sure we aren't related?
Besides, we all have family that eloped over to OK!
I'll adopt you. Don't want anyone feeling left out.
Marsha

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Pansylea Willburn <> wrote:


From: Pansylea Willburn <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Fw: Fw: For Glenna G
To:
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 12:25 PM


I'm sorry I don't have a website.   I am the long lost relative of 
the Arizard group because my Howard family was there long ago, from 
1829 until Marion Co. was formed, and they were in Marion Co. from 
1840 on!  I often feel like an orphan in the Izard group, but I love 
to read all of the messages and get to know you through your 
interactions!   I look forward to June's entries and to how all of 
you interact as one big family!   I am proud to be the orphan of such 
a wonderful group of people!

One other tip:  if any of your allied Indian family was in the Indian 
Territory (now OK) at the time of the 1900 census and had tribal 
connections, the census will list their "American" name on one page 
and on the next the Indian name and the person's quantum blood.     
Perhaps a brother or cousin  of your direct line moved to the IT by 
the 1900 census and it can give you additional information.

I taught genealogical research at our local junior college for 11 
years and watched my students with oral history of an Indian line 
research.  Many were successful, but some were blocked because in the 
late 1800s and early 1900s it wasn't considered an honor to be part 
Indian--as it is now.  Many Indians had married into the Scots-Irish 
frontier settlers and raised their children without knowledge of 
their Indian heritage.  What a shame!

I'll try to remember where I got the Applications for Indian 
Rights.   I think it may have been from National Archives because the 
ancestress in question was born in 1740 (part of the Eastern 
Cherokees) long before the Trail of Tears.    You might try googling 
and see if you can get an address where these applications are 
filed.   Also, check Ancestry.com to see if they have microfilmed 
copies.    Does anyone on the Izard line know where to send for 
these?     Best, Pansylea




On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Glenna Goodwin wrote:

>
>
> Pansylea, No, I had no idea  about them--guess that will give me 
> somthing else to do.  Guess it is true that we  learn something 
> everyday.  do you happen to have a website?  Thanks for the 
> info.Glenna G.
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Pansylea Willburn <>
> To:
> Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 10:48:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Fw: For Glenna G
>
> Have you looked for an Application for Indian Rights, usually made by
> a descendant living about 100 years ago and who gave the Indian
> genealogy?  I have found them to be of great interest, although not
> all of them were accepted.    Pansylea
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Wilma King wrote:
>
>> Our family tradition says that great great grandmother Matilda
>> Catherine
>> House, wife of Thomas Hemphill Peter Roberts, was Indian but there
>> is no
>> such record. I have never found anything whatsoever about her
>> parentage.
>> Pictures of her and of her children seem to indicate at least some
>> degree of
>> Indian heritage.  I also have Charity Elizabeth Chadwick and Addie
>> Carter
>> Caruthers in my FTM files---part of the James Bradford Roberts
>> family files.
>> Interesting!                Wilma King
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:arizard-
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Glenna Goodwin
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:56 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [ARIZARD] Fw: For Glenna G
>>
>> Ron, i have heard this, too and have looked, but so far have come
>> up empty
>> handed.  I have some pics of Charity Elizabeth Chadwick and she
>> definately
>> looks Indian.  Also, my grandmother Addie Carter Caruthers said she
>> was
>> Indian, but her kids told her to forget it--she said her mother was
>> Indian.
>> I have the same problem on my hubby's side--he even looks Indian,
>> but they
>> didn't get cards.  I know they had a writeup about Mary Melvina
>> Daniels
>> being an Indian, but I can't find any info on it.  Thanks for
>> taking the
>> time to share this info with me.  Guess I will go back and look
>> some more.
>> Glenna Goodwin
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>> From: "" <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 9:27:46 PM
>> Subject: [ARIZARD] For Glenna G
>>
>>
>> Glenna, Maybe you already know this, but your gggrandmother Mary
>> Melvina
>> Daniel Chadwick Dailey was said to have been full blood Native
>> American. I
>> do not know which tribe, but since she was born in TN and her
>> father was
>> born in NC, I would guess Cherokee.
>>
>> Ron H
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:09:31 -0600
>>
>>
>> My Great-great Grandmother (Ann) Beal Guthrie was full blood 
>> Cherokee.
>> Betty Mc
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Betty Mc, you got my attention--since we are related on the 
>>> Caruthers
>>> and Benbrook side, just wonder who you got the Indian card from.?
>>> Glenna
>> G.
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>>> From: Betty McCollum <>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:47:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] : Cherokee eastern band?
>>>
>>> Hi Pat:
>>> I am a member of the Northern Cherokee Tribe of Missouri and 
>>> Arkansas
>>> and have been for probably around 15 years. As far as I know they
>>> never got Federal recognition, but were trying for it at one time.
>>> The
>>> only one in my family who benefited from this at all was a nephew 
>>> who
>>> lived in Alaska. He was very sick with different ailments and
>>> after he
>>> got his Indian card he never paid for any more doctor/hospital
>>> services. However I never hear anything from this tribe anymore.
>>> Betty Mv
>>> - ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pat Foster" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:26 PM
>>> Subject: [ARIZARD] : Cherokee eastern band?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Harold,
>>>> Just have to ask you if you know anything about this group, I
>>>> thought
>>>> they are calling themselves 'eastern' Cherokees that are 
>>>> fighting to
>>>> get recognized? We know a guy who sent them his ancestry files 
>>>> (with
>>>> no roll
>>>> number) showing an Indian ancestor and he paid $50 I think it was
>>>> for
>>>> a card to belong to them and IF they ever got recognized ......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pat Foster
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [
>>>> mailto:]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Harold Blevins
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:33 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Cherokee Chief John Ross
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this is the same man or not, but I remembered the
>>>> name and came up with the following.....HRB
>>>>
>>>> John Ross (1790-1866), chief of the American Cherokee Indians,
>>>> headed
>>>> his tribe during the
>>>>
>>>> saddest era in its history, when it was removed from its ancestral
>>>> lands to Oklahoma.
>>>>
>>>> John Ross was born near Lookout Mountain, Tenn., on Oct. 3, 1790.
>>>> His
>>>> Indian
>>>>
>>>> name was
>>>>
>>>> Cooweescoowe. His father was a Scotsman; his mother was one-quarter
>>>> Cherokee
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> three-quarters Scot. Ross was educated by private tutors and 
>>>> then at
>>>> Kingston Academy in Tennessee.
>>>>
>>>> Ross's rise to prominence began in 1817, when he was elected a
>>>> member
>>>> of the
>>>>
>>>> Cherokee
>>>>
>>>> national council. Two years later he became president of the
>>>> council,
>>>> a position he held
>>>>
>>>> until 1826. In 1827 he helped write the Cherokee constitution and
>>>> was
>>>> elected assistant chief.
>>>>
>>>> The following year he became principal chief of the tribe, and he
>>>> remained in this position until 1839.
>>>>
>>>> In 1829 the state of Georgia ordered the Cherokees removed. Ross
>>>> became a leader of the faction
>>>>
>>>> of the tribe that opposed removal, and he led in challenging the
>>>> state ruling before the U.S. Supreme
>>>>
>>>> Court. His appeal was successful, but Georgia officials refused to
>>>> obey the higher court's ruling.
>>>>
>>>> In 1835 the U.S. government signed a treaty of removal with a small
>>>> faction of the Cherokee tribe.
>>>>
>>>> Ross drafted an appeal against this treaty, saying that it was
>>>> obtained by fraudulent means, and addressed
>>>>
>>>> it to President Andrew Jackson. Jackson approved the policy of
>>>> removal, however, as did Martin Van Buren,
>>>>
>>>> and when Gen. Winfield Scott arrived in Georgia with troops, Ross
>>>> and
>>>> the Cherokee were forced
>>>>
>>>> to acquiesce. In 1838-1839 Ross led his people in the removal
>>>> westward (known as the "Trail of Tears") to
>>>>
>>>> the Indian Territory (Oklahoma).
>>>>
>>>> Once there, Ross was instrumental in drafting a Cherokee
>>>> constitution
>>>> that united the eastern and
>>>>
>>>> western branches of the tribe. That year he was also chosen 
>>>> chief of
>>>> the united tribe, an office he
>>>>
>>>> held until his death. He settled near Park Hill in Oklahoma,
>>>> where he
>>>> erected a mansion and farmed,
>>>>
>>>> using his many slaves to cultivate his fields. His first wife, a
>>>> Cherokee, Quatie, died in 1839. In 1845
>>>>
>>>> he married a white woman who died in 1865.
>>>>
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