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Subject: [ARIZARD] Finding your Native American Ancestor
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:37:46 -0800 (PST)
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The tribes that are recognized by the US Government are called the 5 Civilized tribes. They are the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chicasaw, Creek and Seminole. These 5 tribes are the only tribes recognized by the federal government. Many states do recognize tribes that are from their state. The Cherokee have to bands the Eastern Band and Western Band. The Eastern Band are from NC. I am not sure where the Western Band were from. When the trail of tears took place the Eastern band were sent to Georgia and Arkansas. Many left the trail before they reached their final destinations and told people they were white. This happened in my husband's family. Making it impossible to connect back to the tribe.
 
Many Cherokee hid in the hills of NC so they were not counted with those that left on the Trail of Tears, again making it difficult to prove your Native American Heritage. If this happened in your family well you won't be able to connect back to the tribe. :( Even though your family oral history tell otherwise.
 
 
In order to connect back to the tribe your ancestor must be on the Final Rolls of the  DAWES which took place between 1898 To 1914.  The family had family had 2 weeks to go back 5 generations in order for the Federal Governement to recognize them. It was hard to prove because many families by then had been passing for white for a while. My husband's family was one of them.
 
Let's say you can prove your Indian Heritage 5 generations back from the DAWES. Then you have to jump through some hoopes.
1. You have to send paperwork to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) first listing all your Indian ancestors, you must have it all right. If you have it all listed correctlty, then the BIA your percentage. It depends on the tribe but most tribes state you have to be at least 1/4 or an 1/8 to join their tribe. Once the BIA have verified all your ancestors. They will send you a card. The color of the card determines what the tribe does. The less percentage you have the less likely the tribe will recognize you.
 
2. When looking for Indian ancestors you really need a member of a tribe to assist you in your search. They know how to go through Indian records. It takes a lot of time to find your Indian ancestors in BIA records and Indian records.
 
The BIA took Native American (NA) children and put them in  Indian schools, when they did this they would changed the child's name to a white man's name.. So you need to know the Indian name as well as the name to find your ancestor and sometimes they changed the surname more than once thus not making it easy for you to find your Native American Ancestor. They did not make it easy by any means.
 
3. If your ancestors were Cherokee it is a little easier to find. The Cherokee have the best kept records.  You can go to the Cherokee Heritage Center in Oklahoma. They have a registered Genealogist on Staff who can assist you in your research. He does charge for this service.
 
http://www.cherokeeheritage.org/cherokeeheritage/genealogy.html
 
I hope this helps someone find their Native American Heritage.
 
Good Luck your Native American Research.
 
Joy

 

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From: Ilene Stevenson <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] ARIZARD Digest, Vol 5, Issue 122
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Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 7:46 AM


There is THE EASTERN BAND OF CHEROKEE"S in Cherokee, NC . I know. My
greatgrandson is a member.You have to have an ancestor that is a member.
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Subject: ARIZARD Digest, Vol 5, Issue 122


>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. :  Cherokee eastern band? (Pat Foster)
>   2. Re: Fw:  Fw: Cantrell's Glenna - JIM M (Pat Foster)
>   3. oops forgot to change to MONTGOMERYs (Pat Foster)
>   4. Re: Rolls--didn't learn anything-YET! (Pat Foster)
>   5. Re: picture identity? (Pat Foster)
>   6. Arizard: Chief john Ross (Glenna Goodwin)
>   7. Arizard: Chief John Watts (Glenna Goodwin)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:26:27 -0600
> From: "Pat Foster" <>
> Subject: [ARIZARD] :  Cherokee eastern band?
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <003d01cabe7f$e72fbd30$b58f3790$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Harold,
> Just have to ask you if you know anything about this group, I thought they
> are calling themselves 'eastern' Cherokees that are fighting to get
> recognized?  We know a guy who sent them his ancestry files (with no roll
> number) showing an Indian ancestor and he paid $50 I think it was for a
> card
> to belong to them and IF they ever got recognized ......
>
>
> Pat Foster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On
> Behalf Of Harold Blevins
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:33 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Cherokee Chief John Ross
>
> I don't know if this is the same man or not, but I remembered the name and
> came up with
> the following.....HRB
>
> John Ross (1790-1866), chief of the American Cherokee Indians, headed his
> tribe during the
>
> saddest era in its history, when it was removed from its ancestral lands
> to
> Oklahoma.
>
> John Ross was born near Lookout Mountain, Tenn., on Oct. 3, 1790. His
> Indian
>
> name was
>
> Cooweescoowe. His father was a Scotsman; his mother was one-quarter
> Cherokee
>
> and
>
> three-quarters Scot. Ross was educated by private tutors and then at
> Kingston Academy in Tennessee.
>
> Ross's rise to prominence began in 1817, when he was elected a member of
> the
>
> Cherokee
>
> national council. Two years later he became president of the council, a
> position he held
>
> until 1826. In 1827 he helped write the Cherokee constitution and was
> elected assistant chief.
>
> The following year he became principal chief of the tribe, and he remained
> in this position until 1839.
>
> In 1829 the state of Georgia ordered the Cherokees removed. Ross became a
> leader of the faction
>
> of the tribe that opposed removal, and he led in challenging the state
> ruling before the U.S. Supreme
>
> Court. His appeal was successful, but Georgia officials refused to obey
> the
> higher court's ruling.
>
> In 1835 the U.S. government signed a treaty of removal with a small
> faction
> of the Cherokee tribe.
>
> Ross drafted an appeal against this treaty, saying that it was obtained by
> fraudulent means, and addressed
>
> it to President Andrew Jackson. Jackson approved the policy of removal,
> however, as did Martin Van Buren,
>
> and when Gen. Winfield Scott arrived in Georgia with troops, Ross and the
> Cherokee were forced
>
> to acquiesce. In 1838-1839 Ross led his people in the removal westward
> (known as the "Trail of Tears") to
>
> the Indian Territory (Oklahoma).
>
> Once there, Ross was instrumental in drafting a Cherokee constitution that
> united the eastern and
>
> western branches of the tribe. That year he was also chosen chief of the
> united tribe, an office he
>
> held until his death. He settled near Park Hill in Oklahoma, where he
> erected a mansion and farmed,
>
> using his many slaves to cultivate his fields. His first wife, a Cherokee,
> Quatie, died in 1839. In 1845
>
> he married a white woman who died in 1865.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:29:09 -0600
> From: "Pat Foster" <>
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Fw:  Fw: Cantrell's Glenna - JIM M
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <003e01cabe80$472ec820$d58c5860$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I just have to tell you all that I taught 2 members of a set of triplets
> named Montgomery!
> The triplets were taken from their parents.  I think it was an aunt who
> was
> raising the 2 girls and the grandfather was raising the boy!  They would
> probably be about 25 years old now.
>
> Pat Foster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On
> Behalf Of Jim and Judy MONTGOMERY
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:44 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Fw: Fw: Cantrell's Glenna - JIM M
>
> Hi Cuz tahnks for getting back.
>
>
>
> Nola Belle Caruthers was married to Lemuel ( Boyd ) Montgomery born 1902.
> Lemuel was a son of Monroe Oates Montgomery born 24 April 1869. John was
> son
> of Joseph Wiley Montgomery born 18 June 1823. My GGrandpaw James Ferguson
> Montomery born 10 December 1852 was nephew of Joseph. Glenna do you have
> info you would care to share Nola Belle Caruthers
> We only have where born, died and w here buried
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenna Goodwin" <>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 12:22:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [ARIZARD] Fw: Fw: Cantrell's Glenna - JIM M
>
> Jim. my gparents are David Lee Caruthers and Addie Leweller Carter.
>
> I had thought we were distantly related thru the Caruthers side--I had
> noticed where you have mentioned people I am related to. Glenna G.
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Jim and Judy MONTGOMERY <>
> To:
> Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 7:59:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Fw: Cantrell's Glenna - JIM M
>
> Morn-in Glenna
> Can I stick my nose in. Would your dads folks been David L. Carruthers and
> Addie Lou Carter?
> Have a good one. We have a Troy in our tree.
> JIM M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenna Goodwin" <>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 1:03:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [ARIZARD] Fw: Cantrell's
>
> Hi Donna, For now I will just give you the names--and if you are related,
> we
> wil talk farther. My gdad was Walter Davis Cantrell M. Kee Jane Powell.
> ggrparents were William Davis Cantrell and Sarah "Sally" Benbrook
> gggparents
> were George Stroud Cantrell and Catherine jane Taylor. If you will tell me
> who you are looking for, I will see if I have any pics. My parents were
> Troy
> Lee Caruthers and Lois Vesta Cantrell. Glenna G.
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Donna <>
> To: Glenna Goodwin <>
> Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 10:49:01 PM
> Subject: Cantrell's
>
>
> Hi Glenna,
> I seen on the Arkizard list list that you had a few picture's of the
> Cantrell's, May I ask what the names of the Cantrell's ? My ggrandfather
> was
> a Cantrell,
> Thank you
> Donna
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:46:21 -0600
> From: "Pat Foster" <>
> Subject: [ARIZARD] oops forgot to change to MONTGOMERYs
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <004a01cabe82$aea5d550$0bf17ff0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> I just have to tell you all that I taught 2 members of a set of triplets
> named Montgomery!
> The triplets were taken from their parents.  I think it was an aunt who
> was
> raising the 2 girls and the grandfather was raising the boy!  They would
> probably be about 25 years old now.
>
> Pat Foster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On
> Behalf Of Jim and Judy MONTGOMERY
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:44 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Fw: Fw: Cantrell's Glenna - JIM M
>
> Hi Cuz tahnks for getting back.
>
>
>
> Nola Belle Caruthers was married to Lemuel ( Boyd ) Montgomery born 1902.
> Lemuel was a son of Monroe Oates Montgomery born 24 April 1869. John was
> son
> of Joseph Wiley Montgomery born 18 June 1823. My GGrandpaw James Ferguson
> Montomery born 10 December 1852 was nephew of Joseph. Glenna do you have
> info you would care to share Nola Belle Caruthers
> We only have where born, died and w here buried
>
>
> Jim M
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:52:51 -0600
> From: "Pat Foster" <>
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Rolls--didn't learn anything-YET!
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <004b01cabe83$9737cc10$c5a76430$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I did the same as you, Marsha.
> Although I did find some Russells and a Lewis Green and other Greens.
> I couldn't get to further info at that time.
> I didn't know about the destruction that happened!!
> I tried to call the Cherokees and they wouldn't take phone calls at that
> time.
> They only wanted paperwork from me via a recorded message.
> Lewis Green b 1795 was definitely dropped off and picked up!! LOL
>
> Pat Foster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On
> Behalf Of Marsha Boles
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:03 PM
> To:
> Subject: [ARIZARD] What do the numbers mean?
>
> Ages!? - Thanks!
> I love being round smart people!
> ?
> Poured over Dawes rolls years ago and never found squat (that?I wanted).
> Then found there were even more rolls, visited there too, and gave up
> (broke
> my spirit) when found out bunches of records were destroyed purposely and
> accidentally.?
> Like that therory: certain relatives were dropped off by space craft and
> retrieved a few decades later (just to toy?with you).
> M
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 00:04:14 -0600
> From: "Pat Foster" <>
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] picture identity?
> To: "'Norman Mason'" <>,
> <>
> Message-ID: <004c01cabe85$2de65cc0$89b31640$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Margaret,
> I didn't research the family much as they are not kin.
> The oldest boy in the photo was Levi Landrum. He and his parents were on a
> website where someone has posted them.
> He was born about 1905.
> Levi's wife's name was Mammie.  I got that picture from a cousin.  Her
> mother had the picture and she sent a group that she didn't know to see if
> I
> might know them.  As it turned out, my parents used to play cards with
> Levi
> and Mammie when I was a young child!  My aunt may have known the family in
> Leflore County and then they moved to Latimer to the area where my folks
> lived.  I don't know if my dad and his sister ever knew they were good
> friends with the same family!
> I will send you photo, if you like.
>
> Pat Foster
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On
> Behalf Of Norman Mason
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:23 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] picture identity?
>
> Pat, does the picture have any connection to the Williamson County TN
> Landrum family?  Delphia Hall Landrum is in my Tennessee Hall family.
> Margaret
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Foster" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] picture identity?
>
>
>>I don't think I let the list know that I found (I think) out who this is.
>> It is 3 Landrum children. Dora Landrum had married Claud Tanner.
>> The 2 males were her brothers.
>> Pat Foster
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Pat Foster
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:41 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [ARIZARD] picture identity?
>>
>> While it is kind of quiet?
>> I have one of those old postcard pictures with a man, woman, and child in
>> it.
>> The writing on the back was done with pencil and over the years the most
>> important portion--the man's surname has been worn away in the middle.
>> We
>> have made various interpretations of it but with the middle missing,
>> etc.,
>> haven't figured it out yet.
>> I have no idea if they are/were married at the time.
>> It appears the lady is listed as Dora/Dara Tanner (maybe).
>> Being an old teacher who often tried to read bad penmanship, I can make
>> all
>> kinds of words out of Tanner!
>> Does this name sound familiar to anyone?
>> And the child-about 2-4 yrs old appears to be J. C. with same surname as
>> man.
>> Surname appears to be Par_____m or Ra______m?
>> Have searched Ancestry some and Rootsweb with no matches as to maybe
>> husband
>> and wife.
>> The man and female might be brother and sister?
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:27:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Glenna Goodwin <>
> Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Chief john Ross
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi, Harold enjoyed your writeup about Chief John Ross----it said Emily's
> father was john, but not Chief John.--never know, he could be though!? The
> chief in the Watts family was? Chief John Watts. war chief.? Otherwise
> called young Tassel, Little Tassel, Chief Old John,and a few Indian
> names,? He succeeded Dragging Canoe.He was a Chickamauga Cherokee.? Glenna
> Goodwin
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 22:54:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Glenna Goodwin <>
> Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Chief John Watts
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Chief John Watts (Young Tassel).? Cherokee Chief was born in 1753, the
> son?of trader John Watts.? Also known as Kettiegesta, he was for many
> years a leading chief of the warlike Chickamauga faction of Cherokees that
> waged war on the American frontier. He fought against John Sevier at
> Boyd'd Creek in 1780.? Two years later he served as a guide for Sevier,
> but he lead the General's troops from the Chickamauga towns.? In May,1792,
> he was described as a bold, sensible, and friendly half breed and as a
> stout, bold and enterprising man.? Despite all the compliments by the
> Americans, he continued to wage war on the frontier. He was severly
> wounded in a raid on Buchanan's Station, near Nashville on Sep. 30,1792.?
> While recuperating, he met with Governor William Blount on the Southwest
> Territory at Henry's Station near Long Island on the Holston in April
> 1793.? After his daughter was killed by the whites on June 16,1793, he
> again went on the warpath.? In
> 1793 he, Doublehead and James Vann led 1,000 warriors toward Knoxville,
> and aborted the raid.? He is said to have joined Chief Bowl and others on
> the attack? at Muscle Shoals in 1794.? The same year, following Major
> James Ore's invasion of the Chickamauga towns, Watts and other Cherokees
> sued for peace.? In 1796 he met with Washington In Philadelphia.? In 1800
> he met with Moravian missionaries at Spring Place. He signed the treaty of
> 1805.? He died at Willstown, Al. and is buried there.? .? (Just a short
> article I found about him).? glenna G.
>
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