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From: "Dale Marr" <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Goodspeed/Estes question
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:54:56 -0500
References: <765953.30564.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I replied to this earlier, but I've never seen it. There was a rather large family file in my last reply, so I'll try again without
that part.


>>>>> others list Burris as Archibald Burris Estes & his father is another William K. Estes.

This is incorrect. Burris, Jr. was the father of Thomas Newton Estes. Burris, Jr. was the son of Burris, Sr. whose father was
another Thomas Estes. Burris, Jr. had a son named Archibald Burris.

>>> "He (William Karr Estes) is the son of Thomas N. and Lucy R. (Johnson) Estes, and the grandson of Burris and Martha (Morris)
>>> Estes, natives of North Carolina."

This is correct.

>>> "The grandfather came to Tennessee at an early day, and was there married about 1825. He was a leading agriculturist, and died
>>> near the close of the late war, leaving considerable property in land and slaves. He was a member of the Baptist Church, as was
>>> also his wife, who died shortly after his death."

This refers to Burris Estes, Jr. (d. 1863) and Martha (Morris) Estes (d. 1872).

>>> "The paternal great-grandfather of William K. Estes was an officer in the war for independence, and had in the
same army with himself eleven cousins of the same name and some of one father. He drew from the government 600 acres of land, and
located his claim in Henry County, Tenn., where he passed his last days."

This refers to Burris Estes, Sr. The "eleven cousins of the same name and some of one father" would have been sons of Burris Sr.'s
uncles, Moses, Elisha, James, and/or Aaron. (Moses died in 1780 without any heirs.)

>>> "In 1849 he crossed the plains to California, and after suffering untold hardships and after being on the road over six months,
>>> reached that State. He then followed mining until 1852, met with tea. reasonable success and returned to Arkansas in the above
>>> mentioned year. He was county clerk of Fulton County from 1862 to 1864, and also served in the Confederate army."

>>>>> "In 1849 he crossed the plains to California" - who went to CA??? Above Wm. K wasn't born yet. Is this a mis-print in
>>>>> GOODSPEED?

This refers to Thomas Newton Estes, William Karr Estes' father. (See Mason story under Thomas Newton Estes in family file below.)
It's not a misprint. Before he married, Thomas Newton Estes went to California during the Gold Rush, staying a couple of years and
(I read somewhere) returning to Arkansas by ship.

>>>>> Somewhere else says "he" went with brother Archie.

"He" is Thomas Newton Estes, and yes, he went with his brother, Archibald Burris Estes.

What's confusing about this Goodspeed's article is that it's as much about William Karr Estes' father, grandfather, and
great-grandfather as it is about him.

>>> Minerva R. Kimmins = Minerva Rucker Kimmons Wilson Estes; her daughter by Unknown Wilson (Lurana E. Wilson) married William Karr
>>> Estes

This is "Unknown" Wilson:

JAMES F. WILSON (son of Harris S. Wilson & Ourcille Luran "Annabelle" Pressgrove) was born 22 Dec 1833 in TN, and died 07 Aug 1862.
He married MANERVA R. KIMMONS 31 Aug 1852. She was born 08 Apr 1823 in TN, and died 09 May 1905 in Melbourne, Izard Co., AR.

More About JAMES F. WILSON:

1860 Census: 03 Jul 1860, Izard Co., AR -- Mill Creek Twp. -- p. 382

Children of JAMES WILSON and MANERVA KIMMONS are:

2. i. VIOLET ADELINE "ADDIE"3 WILSON, b. 24 Nov 1853, AR; d. 02 Jul 1884, Izard Co., AR. She married JAMES EARL CLIFT 15 Jul 1869 in
Izard Co., AR, son of JOSEPH CLIFT and MARY UNKNOWN. He was born 01 Oct 1846 in TN, and died 1921 in Newburg, Izard Co., AR.

More About VIOLET ADELINE "ADDIE" WILSON:

Burial: Melbourne, Izard Co., AR -- Combs Cemetery

3. ii. LURANA ELIZABETH WILSON, b. 03 Mar 1855, Izard Co., AR; d. 13 Aug 1886, Melbourne, Izard Co., AR. She married WILLIAM KARR
ESTES 02 Nov 1873 in Izard Co., AR, son of THOMAS ESTES and LUCY JOHNSON. He was born 05 Sep 1853 in Wiseman, Izard Co., AR, and
died 25 Mar 1933 in Melbourne, Izard Co., AR.

>>> Then a couple of these Estes men seem to have had affairs that were listed some places
as second marriages, but theses womens names didn't change to Estes on the next
census (women's son's listed as Estes however on census)

I don't know which Estes men you're referring to, but the only one of Thomas Newton Estes' sons who wasn't legally married to the
mother of one of his children was John Jasper Estes whose first child was Rufus Estes, the infamous sheriff of Izard County who was
elected after his death. Rufus' mother was Susan Ann Elizabeth Short. As far as we know she never married, but she did sometimes
use the Estes name. Rufus also had a child out of wedlock.

John Jasper Estes was married to Agnes Louann Harris by whom he had 7 children. His brother, Sam, married Agnes' sister, Mary
Caroline Harris. William Karr Estes was married twice and had several children by each wife. Also, Thomas Newton Estes was married
twice. All three of his children were by his first wife, Lucy Rucker Johnson.

William Karr Estes had two grandsons named William Karr Estes. They were the sons of Ralph, Sr. and Ford Estes.


----- Original Message -----
From: Marsha Boles
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:08 PM
Subject: [ARIZARD] Goodspeed/Estes question


Help - anyone!
It's been kinda quiet on list lately. Soo . . .
Because of recent discussion about GOODSPEED's, I've been trying to add "source" to some older entries and have wrecked some of
older files.
So I guess I am asking for clarification on William K. (Karr) Estes.
What I get out of this sketch in GOODSPEED contradicts other on-line sources I have tried to use to reconstruct this file.
I think there are 2 (& possibly 4) William K. Estes in same family.
This is atleast the 2nd file I have missed up trying to use GOODSPEED.
Not even my folks. Should have just left it alone.
Any one else have trouble interpeting GOODSPEED?
I thought I was being careful.
Comments anyone?
Marsha

http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/izard/izardgds.htm
Summary GOODSPEED entry (below)
.-. 1 Unknown Estes – land grant in Henry Co., TN & died there.
.-.-. 2 Burris Estes b. NC (m 1825 in TN) Martha Morris b. NC
.-.-.-. 3 Thomas N. Estes b. TN (m. 1852) Lucy R. Johnson d. 1858
.-.-.-.-. 4 William K. Estes b. 5 Sep 1853 Izard Co., AR
.-.-.-.-. +#1: Lurana E. Wilson b. 3 mar 1855 d. 13 Aug 1886
.-.-.-.-.-. 5 Lucy E. Estes
.-.-.-.-.-. 5 Walter H. Estes
.-.-.-.-.-. 5 Jasper M. Estes
.-.-.-.-.-. 5 Allie M. Estes
.-.-.-.-.-. 5 Ford Wilson Estes
2nd wife of William K. Estes:
.-.-.-.-. +#2: Nancy C. Kitchens m. 30 Jan 1887.
.-.-.-.-.-. 5 Earl T. Estes
.-.-.-.-. 4 John J. Estes
.-.-.-.-. 4 Samuel C. Estes
2nd wife of Thomas N. Estes:
.-.-.-. + #2: m. 1869 Minerva R. Kimmins (prior m. to Unknown Wilson)

William K. Estes, county and circuit clerk, Melbourne, Ark. In his present position as clerk
of the county and circuit court of this county, Mr. Estes is proving himself to be efficient
and popular, and the manner in which he has acquitted himself has justly won him the
name of being possessed of more than ordinary business ability. He is a native-born citizen
of this county, his birth occurring on the 5th of September, 1853, and he is the son of
Thomas N. and Lucy R. (Johnson) Estes, and the grandson of Burris and Martha (Morris)
Estes, natives of North Carolina. The grandfather came to Tennessee at an early day, and
was there married about 1825. He was a leading agriculturist, and died near the close of
the late war, leaving considerable property in land and slaves. He was a member of the
Baptist Church, as was also his wife, who died shortly after his death. The paternal great-
grandfather of William K. Estes was an officer in the war for independence, and had in the
same army with himself eleven cousins of the same name and some of one father. He drew
from the government 600 acres of land, and located his claim in Henry County, Tenn.,
where he passed his last days. Thomas N. Estes was born in Tennessee, but moved to
this State in 1852, and was married that year to Miss Lucy R. Johnson, who bore him three
children: W. K., John J. (who is a bookkeeper at Evening Shade, Sharp County), and
Samuel C. (who is clerking in a dry goods store, at Ash Flat, Ark.) The mother of these
children died in 1858. She was a member of the Baptist Church. Mr. Estes was married the
second time, in 1869, to Mrs. Minerva R. Wilson, nee Kimmins; both are members of the
Baptist Church. The same year they moved to Izard County, where Mr. Estes has a fine
farm of 200 acres, with thirty or forty under cultivation, and on which are good buildings,
etc. In 1849 he crossed the plains to California, and after suffering untold hardships and
after being on the road over six months, reached that State. He then followed mining until
1852, met with tea. reasonable success and returned to Arkansas in the above mentioned
year. He was county clerk of Fulton County from 1862 to 1864, and also served in the
Confederate army. William K. Estes' early life was divided between assisting on the farm
and in attending the common schools of his county. At the age of twenty years he started
out for himself by continuing the pursuit to which he had been reared, and followed this
occupation uninterruptedly for a long time. In 1879 he moved to the city, and served as
deputy clerk from that time until 1884, when he was elected county clerk, though he had
first been deputy clerk in November, 1876. He filled this office in such a capable and
efficient manner, and so popular did he become, that he was complimented by being re-
elected in 1886, serving until 1888. He has been twice married; first, in 1873, to Miss
Lurana E. Wilson, by whom he had five children: Lucy E., Walter H., Jasper M., Allie M.
and Ford W. Mrs. Estes was born on the 3d of March, 1855, and died on the 13th of
August, 1886. She was a member of the Baptist [p.942] Church. Mr. Estes' second
marriage was to Miss Nancy C. Kitchens, on the 30th of January, 1887. They have one
child, Earl T. Mr. and Mrs. Estes are both church members, she of the Christian
denomination and he of the Baptist. He is a member of the A. F. & A. M. and R. A. M., and
also a member of the Subordinate Lodge and the Encampment of Odd Fellows. In politics
he is Democratic.

Also: from prior sources (LaMyra Morton, Dale Marr, Jim Estes, sevearl census, and several internet sites, some unknown).
Burris Estes - father of Thomas Newton Estes: some list him as a Jr. making his father Burris Estes, Sr.& GF Thomas Estes; others
list Burris as Archibald Burris Estes & his father is another William K. Estes.
Minerva R. Kimmins = Minerva Rucker Kimmons Wilson Estes; her daughter by Unknown Wilson (Lurana E. Wilson) married William Karr
Estes
Walter H. Estes = Walter Hill Estes, MD b. 21 Mar 1877
Lucy E. Estes = Lucy Elizabeth Estes b.20 Nov 1834
Thomas N. Estes = Thomas Newton Estes
William K. Estes b. 5 Sep 1853 = William Karr Estes
William Karr 'Bill' Estes b. 26 Oct 1905 some list as another son of Thomas N. Estes.
Lucy R. Johnson = Lucy Rucker Johnson Estes
Samuel C. Estes = Samuel Cawthorne Estes b. 11 Nov 1858
Then a couple of these Estes men seem to have had affairs that were listed some places
as second marriages, but theses womens names didn't change to Estes on the next
census (women's son's listed as Estes however on census)
John J. Estes = John Jasper 'JJ' Estes b. 24 Feb 1856
1880 Izard Co, Ark, Mill Creek twp, Melbourne, p. 406
Estes, William K. - 26 Ark, farmer (b. 05 Sep 1853)
. . . . Lurana E. - 25 Ark (Laurena Elizabeth Wilson b. 03 Mar 1855)
. . . . Lucy E. (daug) - 5 Ark (Lucy Elizabeth Estes b. 28 Sep 1874)
. . . . Walter H. (son) - 3 Ark (Walter Hill b. 21 Mar 1877)
. . . . Jasper M. (son) - 1 Ark

"In 1849 he crossed the plains to California" - who went to CA???
Above Wm. K wasn't born yet. Is this a mis-print in GOODSPEED?
Somewhere else says "he" went with brother Archie.
And some one else names Archbald Burris Estes (no Sr. or Jr. mentioned).





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