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From: "Wilma \(Younger\) Norton" <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Chisum obits
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:52:38 -0600
References: <DBEGJNBDEKJJADBJKPKLKEAODBAA.mvanh@sbcglobal.net>


That explains the Green Chism I found. Now who would this one be? James
Chism age 11 born MO living with Elizabeth age 31 and John and I cannot
make out his surname, they are in Atchison, Atchison Co. KS 1870 census. It
looked interesting because of the ages of Elizabeth and James -- the birth
state is off, but you cannot depend on census to be correct in that. If she
was a Mary Elizabeth, then he might be a James Thomas. But, of course, it's
speculation. But looks like this Elizabeth was married first to a Chism and
then has remarried. I did a search on Chism and found them, maybe someone
can make out the surname.

Wilma
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mildred Vander Hoeven" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Chisum obits


I was told that John Green Chism lied about his war record to collect a
pension and it would seem this is true. In Betty Renfroe's World Connect
she says that the William Chism mentioned in the 1880 census, age 10, was
William H. Bales not Chism and she does not know what happened to Jane,
perhaps died young.

The Green Chism in the Sharp Co, AR 1870 census is Christopher Green Chism,
son of George Washington Chism.
Millie

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:]On Behalf Of Don Ott
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:48 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Chisum obits


Thanks Wilma for chiming in. My head is spinning.
There for sure could have been two J.G.
Chism/Chisom/Chisum, however I do not have a
second one that matches this person. Hope you can
help work this out. I am taking the death of his
father from the work of Betty Renfroe, and she
has done due diligence on this family.
Don


At 11:26 AM 29-12-07, you wrote:
>I've been following this Chism discussion and wonder if perhaps there
wasn't
>two J. G. Chism's? On the one hand, Don, you say his father died around
>1865 and then you place the Mary Chism age 40 as his widow, and John as
>their son, however, there are several other children listed in the
>household, all of them born after 1865 when the father had already died,
>supposedly in Kansas. It could possibly mean that Mary Chism married
>another Chism and was again a widow by 1880, but is there any proof of
this?
>
>The age still wouldn't be right for the obit mentioned, but I did find a
>Green Chism who might have been the C.W. veteran, he was age 27 in 1870
>census, (born ca. 1843) found in Lebanon, Sharp Co. AR. He would have been
>of an age to have served in the CW, but would not have been 103 or 108 by
>1924, more like around 81 or so.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Vera Reeves" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:34 PM
>Subject: [ARIZARD] Chisum obits
>
>
>Oh dear have I made a typo again? It was the Calico Rock Progress I got
the
>obit from.
>
>I don't get it!
>
>How could he have been in the Civil War and draw a pension if he was born
in
>1863 ? What ever his age it says he was a veteran of the War Between the
>States. (Ark Confederate Pension ­ 30042 Chism, J. G. CO G Reg __ AR ­
63-64
>applied for pension 4-4-1931 Pope County and died 6-11-1951)
>
>=========================================
>
> > Vera,
> > The Arkansas Gazette article on Mr. John
> > Greene Chism 24 Feb 1924 is obviously incorrect.
> > It is also probably true that Mr. Chism was not
> > real good with his math, but 103 or 108 he was
> > not. He was born 9 Feb 1863 and died 11 Jun 1951.
> >
> > 1860 Census Arkansas, Izard, White River Twp. His
> > father William is 32 and his mother Mary is 21,
> > they have their first child Thomas who is 1. John
> > Greene Chism has not been born.
> > 1870 Census----I have not been able to locate the family.
> > 1880 Census Arkansas, Searcy, Bear Creek, John
> > is at home with his mother Mary Chism 40 TN, John is 17 AR.
> > 1900 Census Arkansas, Pope, Sulphur Twp., J. G.
> > Chism says he is 45, indicated he was born Feb. 1855.
> > 1910 Census Arkansas, Pope, Sulphur Twp. John G.
> > Chism says he is 49 AR, m2 times, m1yr to Sally
> > who is 39 and she has been married 3 times.
> > Sally has 8 children 5 living, Robert who is
> > 7/12 appears to be their son. Thomas, Mary,
> > Annie, William and Ollie from wife Nancy his
> > previous marriage are at home. James and John
> > Huff, Step-sons and William Prince also a step-son.
> > 1920 Census Arkansas, Pope, Sulphur Twp. John G.
> > Chinne (That is how the computer reads it) 58,
> > Sallie 49, William H. 18, Ollie 15, William
> > Prince step-son 14, Robert W. 10 and Josie 7.
> >
> > As I understand, John's father, John William
> > Chism, was a tanner and he carried a bottle of
> > acid on his belt. That was broken during his
> > service in the Civil War and he died from the
> > acid eating his flesh sometime around 1865. He
> > was in the 16th AR Inf. CSA, Co. K. This story
> > came from Betty Renfroe. John William Chism was born 1827 AR.
> >
> > Don
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>Jun 15, 1951 ­ 103 year-old Veteran Native of
> >>Izard County - Russellville, Ark., - A 108
> >>year-old veteran of the War Between the States,
> >>John G. Chisum, is dead, leaving only one
> >>ex-Confederate soldier in Arkansas. Chisum died
> >>in his home in Camp Victor, a Pope County
> >>community near Russellville, Monday night. His
> >>death cut to 11 the surviving Confederate
> >>veterans and only one, W. M. Loudermilk of
> >>Jonesboro, lives in Arkansas. Mr Chisum served
> >>in Jackson county, near Newport, during the war.
> >>A native of Izard County, he spent the latter
> >>part of his life around Ben Hur, near the
> >>Pope-Newton County line. He is survived by his
> >>widow, three sons and four daughters.
> >>
> >>(Ark Confederate Pension ­ 30042 Chism, J. G. CO
> >>G Reg __ AR ­ 63-64 applied for pension
> >>4-4-1931 Pope County and died 6-11-1951)
>
>
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