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From: Don Ott <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Trail of Tears
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:49:44 -0500
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Sorry my typing is poor in addition to my eyesight. The URL
for the Arkansas Cherokee Indian Nation:
http://www.comanchelodge.com/arkres2.gif

Don


At 07:35 PM 19-08-07, you wrote:
>Marilyn,
> I had not heard that story. I can give you some ideas. The
>Northfork river was not a large river but could flood at some times.
>The place where the TOT crossed was up just below where the dam is
>located now. So I don't think they would have been camping down by
>Norfork town.
> The alternate possibility is that the area across the White
>River, from Norfork, was the Arkansas Cherokee Indian Nation from
>1817 to 1828. The reservation ran up the west side of the White
>from above Batesville to somewhere near the Lead Hill area, and all
>the way down to the Arkansas River, at Van Buren and down river to
>Lewisburg, back to Batesville. You can find the map;
>http://www.comanchelodge.com/arkes2.gif That was the purpose of the
>Wolf House, he was the administrator of the Indian Nation.
> Is there a possibility that the incident you described could
>have been with those Indians?
>Don
>
>
>At 05:34 PM 19-08-07, you wrote:
> > Mr. Ott,
> > Have you ever heard the following story? It appeared on the
> > Norfork Hope Well Old Joe site several weeks ago. No one had ever
> > heard this story. I could not believe that such an incident could
> > have taken place at Norfork and no one had any knowlege of it,
> > having lived there their whole lives.
> >
> > My understanding is very detailed records were kept on this journey.
> >
> > If it had happened at Norfork I truly believe my father would
> > have heard of it from his grandfather and father. This women swears
> > it is true. (My father was Robert Luther, his father, Charles
> > Luther and grandfather Isaac Riley Luther.)
> >
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> >November 30, 2006
> >Susan Bates There were two main "Trail Of Tears" routes
> >which passed through Arkansas. The southern route ran from Memphis
> >to near Little Rock where it joined with the Arkansas River and
> >ended at Fort Gibson, while the northern route of the Arkansas
> >portion of the Trail of Tears, commonly known as the "Old Military
> >Road," passed through Baxter and Marion Counties in northern Arkansas.
> >
> >Three thousand Cherokee and Creek men, women and children, victims
> >of the Federal Indian Removal Policy, walked the northern path. Each
> >one had a story to tell if anyone had cared to listen. Most of the
> >stories that were passed down have long been forgotten. I'm going to
> >tell you about an almost forgotten incident so that you will
> >remember and honor the spirits of the people who died at the
> >Cherokee Drowning Place.
> >
> >Somewhere below the Jacob Wolff House just south of the town of
> >Norfork, Arkansas, a group of Cherokee People gathered near the
> >White Raven Stomp Grounds where the Sacred Fire of the Cherokees
> >burned until 1902. There they waited for the flooded Norfork River
> >to recede so they could cross on the ferry and continue their
> >journey to Indian Territory.
> >
> >The river was a main thoroughfare for the logging industry and the
> >heavy rains had caused a log jam. For some reason, maybe due to
> >alcohol or just plain meanness, a group of white settlers decided
> >they didn't want the Indians camped there. Threats and taunting soon
> >turned into violence as the rowdies fired their guns over the heads
> >of the weary travelers. Afraid for their lives, Cherokee men, women
> >and children tried to run across the log jam to safety. That proved
> >to be a tragic mistake. As the logs began to roll and move down
> >stream, one by one, the people fell into the Norfork River. Many of
> >them drowned.
> >
> >If their names had ever been recorded, they are long forgotten. No
> >one knows how many perished or where their bodies lie. The Norfork
> >River has since been dammed and a beautiful lake draws tourists and
> >retirees - all looking for the "Good Life." But I want them to know,
> >and I want you to know that some of us will remember. And justice
> >will ultimately prevail.
> >
> >
> >Don Ott <> wrote: I thought Dr. Juliet E. Morrow
> >made an outstanding presentation
> >yesterday on Native Americans and Other Pioneers of Izard County.
> >This presentation was strictly an archeological survey, as
> >advertised, and not a lot of details about the Trail of Tears through
> >Izard County. Ozarka College provided excellent facilities.
> >There were about 16,000 Indians that were remaining to be rounded up
> >and forcefully removed from east of the Mississippi River in 1838,
> >these were divided into groups of about 1000 each. The group that
> >came through Izard county was led by Indian Captain John Benge. His
> >was the first group let by Native American leadership and he had the
> >least deaths of any of the groups and no desertions were reported.
> >As some of you know Bill Woodiel,of Baxter County, is probably the
> >most knowledgeable person on the Benge Trail of Tears, he has worked
> >for years trying to get proper recognition for this route. The trail
> >through Izard is reasonably well known. The Benge group was in Poke
> >Bayou (Batesville) on 15 Dec 1838, for wagon repairs, and there they
> >intersected with the Jacksonport Road. This road had been built
> >1831/32 from Jacksonport to Van Buren for the purpose of Indian
> >removal. They exited Izard County just west of Pineville along what
> >is now Hwy 177.
> >The Benge group left Fort Payne, Alabama on 28 Sep 1838 and 106 days
> >later on 11 Jan 1839 they arrived in Tahlequah, Indian Territory
> >(Oklahoma). The government had provided them 60 wagons and teams and
> >had provided 480 riding horses. The number of people on this trail
> >vary, Capt Page counted 1079 when they left Fort Payne Alabama and
> >Captain Stephenson counted 1132 when they arrived in Tahlequah.
> >Captain Benge reported 3 birth and 33 deaths on the route, no
> >desertions. Many of the Indian families brought their Negro slaves
> >along with them,there was reported 144 Negro arrivals in Tahlequah
> >with this party and 959 Indians.
> >All of these Indians and their slaves had been rounded up in and
> >around DeKalb County Alabama, so if your ancestors lived in that area
> >in 1838, some might have been with this group.
> >Much information is available on the web about this group. Google
> >search "Benge, Trail of Tears", and you can find maps and lots of data.
> >I have studied the genealogy of many of the Indians on the Trail of
> >Tears and will be glad to provide some limited help if I can.
> >
> >Don
> >
> >
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