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From: "Betty G. McCollum" <>
Subject: [ARIZARD] Langston-Beal
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:06:48 -0500
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Bernie, and anyone else interested in this:
I have researched the Guthrie's and Susanah did not belong to the Guthrie
family. I rather think that she was a Beall because: #1: She had a son
named Thomas Beal Langston, and #2) Robert Landon Guthrie, who would have
been her nephew, and in his letter to his sister in Tn., after the Civil
War, Robert Landon refers to Uncle Nathan and Aunt Susan. He was living at
Pineville in Izard Co., at that time, same as the Nathan & Susan Langston
family. Also, #3) Robert Landon's Mother Ann Beal (Guthrie Moody) whom I
think was a sister to Susan Beal) had a son named Thomas Guthrie, and her
sister Nancy Beal Morphus had a son named Thomas Morphis, and Susanah
(Susan) had a son named Thomas Langston. Myself, Kathryn Langston, and
Rosie Guthrie who have researched this line "think" (haven't proven yet)
that Nancy,Ann, and Susan's father was Thomas Beal from Chatham Co., North
Carolina, who came into Giles Co., Tn., and died ca. 1825.
Now, I know this is not a lot to go on, but maybe someone "out there"
will see this and respond saying who Susanah (Susan) Beal was. Maybe
Susanah (Susan) had married a Latham first? Don't know the answer to that
one either.----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie Moore-Knowles" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Beale - Betty Mc and Don


> Hi Don
>
> And you coul dbe correct, Don. It appears that Kathryn Langston
unearthed
> something that looked to her being a Beale. Although in 1850, there are
no
> Beale children that we are aware of - that 1850 census so confusing for
the
> Nathan Langston household - it just seems odd to me that a woman would
marry
> for the first time at aged 35? No unheard of, ind you - just not the
norm.
>
> I think it would be interesting for research's sake to look at this
union:
>
> Dr. Richard Hughes Beale's (1851-1908) marriage to a Mary Dona Nicks
(born
> 1855 in Hickman Co., Tennessee and died somewhere in 1948) in Izard
County.
>
> Mary Dona Hicks is from the William Jesse Nicks (born 1820 in Maury Co.,
> Tennessee) and Elizabeth Puckett (born 1829 in McMinn Co., Tennessee)
line
> and Nicks died in Izard County. Don't know what happened to Elizabeth
> Pukcett.
>
> Last night I went online to see what I could find out about the Nicks
> family.
>
> Mary Dona Nicks had a sister named Sarah Ann Nicks and I found her death
> certificate online. It confirmed Elzabeth Puckett as her mother - but,
the
> informant was a Laura Gorrell and this woman did not know who Elizabeth
> Puckett Nick's father was.
>
> I suppose what I was attempting to do was establish a migration route
for
> the Beales or the Nicks because that was the closest Beale marriage that
I
> could find in the area of Izard County that might unearth some family
> information on Susannah Beale Langston.
>
> Was she a Latham that married a Beale? A Beale that married a Latham?
>
> I had forgotten that early researchers felt that Susannah was a Latham,
to
> tell you the truth Don.
>
> I have this is my notes - an older exchange with Betty Mc - just about
this
> subject:
>
> From: "Betty McCollum" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004
> In a copy of a letter from my Great-granddad, Robert Landon Guthrie,
written
> after the Civil War to one of his sisters, Amanda Guthrie Franks
Franklin in
> Texas, there is a sentence in there about Uncle Nathan and Aunt Susan
and
> two of their children, Thomas, and Jane. Now I know that people used to
> call the older people Uncle and Aunt, even if there was no kin, but as a
> form of respect. However, the sister he was writing to had never been
in
> Arkansas and would not have had any idea who Uncle Nathan and Aunt Susan
> were unless they had been related. For that reason, we believe that
Susan
> may have been a sister to Robert Landon Guthrie's mother, Ann Beal
Guthrie
> Moody. Thanks Bernie.
>
> Betty Mc? Have you ever explored the Guthries? Could Susannah have
been a
> sibling to Robert Guthrie's grandfather or grandmother?
>
> Bernie Moore-Knowles
> Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
>
> "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
> question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Ott" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Beale - Betty Mc
>
>
>> Well I always thought Susannah "Susan" that married Nathan
>> Jedediah Langston was a Latham.
>> Don
>>
>>
>> At 01:35 AM 11-07-07, you wrote:
>> >Betty Mc?
>> >
>> >You get the award, sweetie for asking the best question for the year!
> What
>> >a fantastic idea - who were her Beale parents?
>> >
>> >I notice in what I have that Susan (or Susannah?) Beale was born in
>> >Tennessee. Your Ann Beale Guthrie is probably a sibling and I have
that
> she
>> >may have had a Nancy that was a sister. Just some notes that I have.
> The
>> >interesting thing to me is that if she was a Beale - she didn't marry
>> >Langston until she was 35 years old?
>> >
>> >Not a rule of thumb here, but most women married before the age of
35 -
>> >which brings to question whether she might have been the WIDOW Beale?
> Just
>> >another thought, mind you.
>> >
>> >Now, in looking through some of the Beale information that I have and
it
>> >sure isn't much - I find this:
>> >
>> >Thomas J. Beale married to an Elsie Coonce on October 07, 1888.
>> >
>> >Now, Elsie Coonce is connected to my aunt's Orvis family. The Orvis'
had
> an
>> >IL > Ripley Co., Missouri > Lawrence Co., AR migration route. A few
>> >generations later than our Beales that we are looking at, but
something
> to
>> >look at none the less?
>> >
>> >Closer to home is this marriage:
>> >
>> >Dr. Richard Hughes Beale (1851- 1908) married Mary Dona Nicks in Izard
>> >County. I have nothing further on Dr. Beale - but, the Nicks family
were
>> >from Hickman Co., Tennessee and appear to have migrated to Izard
County
>> >shortly after the Civil War.
>> >
>> >And then this gentleman:
>> >
>> >Marcellus "Ty" Beale married Eliza/Edna May Adams (1894-1960). Her
Adams
>> >family had Marion County roots and they all ended up in La Garto, Live
> Oak
>> >Co., Texas.
>> >
>> >You mentioned that Ann Beale Guthrie ended up in Texas? What county?
>> >
>> >And this:
>> >
>> >Dicey Jane Beale married William Riley Cotter and it appears that this
>> >couple had their first child in 1853, in Fulton County.
>> >
>> >So, not much to go on, but I wonder if anyone has considered that
Susan
>> >Beale may not have been a Beale by birth but the widow Beale?
>> >
>> >Something that I just found in my notes and this is a real old post of
T.
> J.
>> >Harper's - remember her? She is referencing the children in the 1850
> census
>> >and just throwing out some ideas - but, it evidently had crossed her
mind
>> >that Susan was a widow when she married Langston:
>> >
>> >From: TJH <>
>> >Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999
>> >If you ever done any work with what Kathyrn Langston and I call THE
> DREADED
>> >BILLINGSLY you'll quickly understand that it is a mess. I have never
> been
>> >able to determine just who were the parents of the Hightower children
in
> the
>> >Nathan Langston Household of 1850. They are either: orphaned children
of
> a
>> >daughter as yet un-named. or orphaned children of Chrissy Langston
(the
>> >sister of Nathan and the other Langston's who I lost track of in 1804
in
>> >Livingston Co. Ky or and this is a possiblity - The children of
> Susannah's
>> >(Nathan's second wife ) from her first marriage..... The Layton
> attributed
>> >to Susannah has never been verified. tjh........ I too would give
the
>> >person who answers this puzzle a place on the Genealogy Hall of Fame
> tjh
>> >
>> >You got to love Kathryn Langston and T. J. Harper, don't you?
Tremendous
>> >and thorough researchers, I think. I still keep in touch with Kathryn
> and
>> >know that she is trying her best to find a male for the Langston DNA
> project
>> >that descends from those children that are thought to be Hightowers -
to
>> >confirm if they are - or if they are indeed Langston children. The
jury
> is
>> >still out for some Langston researchers, I know.
>> >
>> >And lastly, I mentioned that I thought there was a Bible record
somewhere
> on
>> >the Langstons? Here is what I found in my notes and it is referencing
>> >Absolom Langston (b1839 and son of Nathan, Sr.):
>> >
>> >Birth record: Kathryn Langston writes on 06 July 2000:
>> >Nathan's birth was 26 Oct 1790, source is handwritten paper found in
son,
>> >Absolom's bible / or trunk, in Absolom's handwritting. The death date
> was
>> >January 16, 1870, the copy of the note says January, but when Brian
typed
> it
>> >in he put February in the newsletter.
>> >
>> >So, I think we might need to look in Hickman Co., Tennessee for a
start
> on
>> >researching the Beales, Betty Mc. Or at least it is a start. That is
a
>> >Tennessee county that I have never worked in. But, I seriously wonder
if
>> >Susannah was a Beale by marriage - but, if she was? She was born in
1806
> in
>> >Tennessee and married Nathan circa 1841 and probably in Izard County.
>> >
>> >Was there a Beale household recorded in the 1840 Izard County census
at
> all?
>> >
>> >Bernie Moore-Knowles
>> >Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
>> >
>> >"I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
>> >question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Betty G. McCollum" <>
>> >To: <>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:38 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Nathan J. Langston - Paula
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Bernie:
>> > > Just now gettinig around to read some of my older messages.
Has
> no
>> > > one ever tried to find parents of Susanah (Susan) Beal Langston?
>> > > Betty Mc
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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