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From: "Bernie Moore-Knowles" <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Carter - John Haley
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -1000
References: <89afe958d0784fd68c28d2139da9a088.johaley@kings.k12.ca.us>


Goodness John Haley


The man, Carter? He must have been hangin' out in the same circles as my
Sinors! LOL

Don't you wish that you knew the ENTIRE story?

I got tickled when Kathy Leuck of this List was talking to a Sinor
descendant in Arkansas and the elderly gentleman asked Kathy if she had ever
heard the story of Jim Sinor shooting a man in "town?"

Well, Kathy asked if he meant the story about Jim killing the man right
after the War in the town square in Yellville?

The elderley gentleman just looked at her and said,

"No, that was another time." Or something along those lines! LOL Sure
make one wonder just how many he did kill?

Arkansas was something else in those days, wasn't it?

Sooooooooo.................your James Frederick Carter? Do you know how
early he was in the area?

Bernie Moore-Knowles
Papa'aloa, Hawai'i

"I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
question my honesty." ........Will Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Carter - John Haley


> Bernie,
> The Carter family I'm talking about were James Dallas Carter and his
father James Frederick Carter. Our info has James Dallas around Ash Flat
and Zion about 1900. Some interesting stories, but nothing for sure. One
version has the family coming to AR after the father being killed in a fight
on a riverboat over a card game. Another version has the family coming to
AR after the father was killed by someone and after locating in AR the sons
went back and killed the killer.
> I have more info just not handy right now.
> John Haley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernie Moore-Knowles [mailto:]
> Sent: 11/10/2005 9:57:53 PM
> To:
> Subject: [ARIZARD-L] Carter - John Haley
>
> > Hmmm............interesting?
> >
> > Your Carters were in Izard County circa 1850?
> >
> > 1850 Izard Co., Arkansas census, Franklin Township:
> > 489 MAY William C. 33 TN Farmer
> > Emily 25 TN
> > Susan P. 7 AL
> > Isabella 3 AR
> > William H. 1 AR
> > William 76 VA
> > Sally 50 SC
> > CARTER Andrew 17 AR
> > SMITH Joseph 45 KY Farmer
> >
> > Oddly, it shows that this Andrew Carter was born in Arkansas? Circa
1833?
> > That's early, isn't it?
> >
> > Bernie Moore-Knowles
> > Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
> >
> > "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
> > question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] James & Amanda Welch May
> >
> >
> > > Bernie or Whomever,
> > > The Andrew CARTER that's showing in that home really interests me. My
> > family of Carter's showed up in Izard/Sharp County around that time.
The
> > mystery has always been who did they know? Any more info on Andrew
Carter
> > would be helpful.
> > > John Haley
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Bernie Moore-Knowles [mailto:]
> > > Sent: 11/10/2005 11:00:41 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] James & Amanda Welch May
> > >
> > > > Vera and Betty Mc
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if your Mays are from the Bradley Co., Tennessee area;
but
> > here
> > > > is the Emily May's family that intermarried with my Sinors. In
> > > > communicating with descendants of this Sinor line (Nelson Sinor;
brother
> > to
> > > > my James Sinor); I am told that George Washington Sinor and Emily
May
> > left
> > > > Tennessee at the turn of the century. I believe that they spent a
short
> > > > period in Georgia - could be Whitfield Co., passed through Arkansas
and
> > > > then, spent a stint in Texas - before ending up in Oklahoma.
> > > >
> > > > So, they were movers.
> > > >
> > > > I thought that I would post the chart; what little that I have -
just in
> > > > case it would give you some names to explore.
> > > >
> > > > Descendants of Luther May
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1 Luther May b: 1836 in Tennessee
> > > >
> > > > . +Millie Ann Duncan
> > > >
> > > > ........... 2 Sara J. May b: Abt. 1853 in Georgia
> > > >
> > > > ........... 2 John May b: Abt. 1857
> > > >
> > > > ............... +Jane Cooper m: July 11, 1876 in Bradley Co.,
Tennessee
> > > >
> > > > ........... 2 Charity May b: Abt. 1859
> > > >
> > > > ........... 2 Emily Ann May b: April 12, 1860 in Tennessee d:
February
> > 08,
> > > > 1935 in Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma Burial: Oakridge
Cemetery-Carpenter's
> > > > Bluff, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ............... +George Washington Sinor b: February 10, 1857 in
Bradley
> > > > Co., Tennessee m: November 23, 1877 in Bradley Co., Tennessee d:
October
> > 01,
> > > > 1931 in Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma Burial: Oakridge
Cemetery-Carpenter's
> > > > Bluff, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Luther Samuel Sinor b: October 09, 1879
in
> > > > Bradley Co., Tennessee d: March 25, 1946 in Kemp, Bryan Co.,
Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Mary E. Long b: November 03, 1881 d:
> > October
> > > > 29, 1965 in Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Lula Jane Sinor b: October 29, 1880 in
> > Bradley
> > > > Co., Tennessee d: July 28, 1919 in Leonard, Fannin Co., Texas
Burial:
> > East
> > > > Shady Grove Cemetery-Leonard, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +William Joseph "Bill" Key b: November
15,
> > 1876
> > > > in Chesterfield, Old Stone Co., South Carolina m: September 24, 1899
in
> > > > Leonard, Fannin Co., Texas d: July 31, 1962 in Bonham or Leonard ,
> > Fannin
> > > > Co., Texas Burial: East Shady Grove Cemetery-Leonard, Fannin Co.,
Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Thomas Benjamin "Tom" Sinor b: March 01,
1884
> > in
> > > > Annadel, Morgan Co., Tennessee d: November 25, 1953 in Kemp, Bryan
Co.,
> > > > Oklahoma Burial: Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Elexie Dall "Lexie" Key b: February
13,
> > 1889
> > > > in Leonard, Fannin Co., Texas m: August 06, 1903 in Leonard, Fannin
Co.,
> > > > Texas d: November 01, 1942 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Co., or Kemp,
> > Bryan
> > > > Co., Oklahoma Burial: Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Lewis Edward "Ed" Sinor b: January 17,
1887
> > in
> > > > Hunkerville, Tennessee d: May 25, 1951 in Tishomingo, Oklahoma
Burial:
> > May
> > > > 30, 1951 Oakridge Cemetery-Carpenter;s Bluff, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Maude Ethel Colvin b: November 25,
1890 in
> > > > Randolph, Fannin Co., Texas m: June 20, 1909 in Clondyke, Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 William Moore "Will" Sinor b: January 17,
> > 1887 in
> > > > Hunkerville, Tennessee d: January 07, 1944 in Bonham, Fannin Co.,
Texas
> > > > Burial: Moore's Chapel Cemetery-Bonham, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Mary Francis Moore b: January 29, 1891
in
> > > > Arkansas d: October 01, 1929 in Bonham, Fannin Co., Texas Burial:
> > Moore's
> > > > Chapel Cemetery-Bonham, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 George Robert "Bob" Sinor b: September
19,
> > 1889
> > > > in Tennessee d: July 21, 1965 in Grayson Co., Texas Burial: Oakridge
> > > > Cemetery-Carpenter's Bluff, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Clara Lee Pierce b: July 30, 1886 in
> > Memphis,
> > > > Tennessee m: July 18, 1909 in Ector, Fannin Co., Texas d: September
10,
> > 1971
> > > > in Denison, Grayson Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Susie M. Sinor b: August 03, 1892 d:
August
> > 15,
> > > > 1945 in Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma Burial: Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Walter Conley Sears b: October 06,
1893 in
> > > > Kemp, Bryan Co., Indian Territory/Oklahoma m: Abt. 1912 d: April 21,
> > 1939 in
> > > > Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma Burial: Kemp, Bryan Co., Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Jessie Hobart Sinor b: September 05, 1895
in
> > > > Tennessee d: September 03, 1908 in Fannin Co., Texas Burial: East
Shady
> > > > Grove Cemetery-Leonard, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Alford Sinor b: March 05, 1898 in
Randolph,
> > > > Fannin Co., Texas or Georgia d: December 14, 1946 in Denison,
Grayson
> > Co.,
> > > > Texas Burial: Oakridge Cemetery-Carpenter's Bluff, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +Cora Bella Dodson b: July 12, 1897 in
> > > > Prinston, Collin Co., Texas m: in Carpenter's Bluff, Fannin Co.,
Texas
> > d:
> > > > February 16, 1947 in Denison, Grayson Co., Texas Burial: Oakridge
> > > > Cemetery-Carpenter;s Bluff, Fannin Co., Texas
> > > >
> > > > ........................ 3 Beulah May Sinor b: March 09, 1902
> > > >
> > > > ............................ +James Lee Fuller
> > > >
> > > > ........... 2 William May b: Abt. 1868
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now, for some reason, I have this census record in the file for
Luther
> > May?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1850 Izard Co., Arkansas census, Franklin Township:
> > > > 489 MAY William C. 33 TN Farmer
> > > > Emily 25 TN
> > > > Susan P. 7 AL
> > > > Isabella 3 AR
> > > > William H. 1 AR
> > > > William 76 VA
> > > > Sally 50 SC
> > > > CARTER Andrew 17 AR
> > > > SMITH Joseph 45 KY Farmer
> > > >
> > > > Okay, all is well since there is a Smith thrown in there, too.
Right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bernie Moore-Knowles
> > > > Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
> > > >
> > > > "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you
to
> > > > question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Vera Reeves" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:07 AM
> > > > Subject: [ARIZARD-L] James & Amanda Welch May
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Where were you two a while back when I ask for help with May and
Welch
> > ??
> > > > > Elden R. May and myself would love to know more about these two.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marenda May buried in the Moody Cemetery, Baxter County is Amanda
> > (Welch)
> > > > > May
> > > > > Have data on the Welch side but have not found anything on James
May.
> > The
> > > > > Welch family was living in Tishomingo County, MS in 1850. Amanda /
> > Marenda
> > > > > was not in the family home in 1860, MS. Have been unable to find
where
> > she
> > > > > was between 1850 and 1880.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some Welch siblings that came to Izard County were:
> > > > > Martha m. Levi Woodley
> > > > > John m. Frances Pinkston
> > > > > Harriet m. Layton Pinkston
> > > > > Mary never married
> > > > > Nancy never married
> > > > >
> > > > > It wasn't surprising to find a Pinkston in the May home in 1880.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vera
> > > > > *********************************
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think that James May and Amanda Welch might could have
been
> > from
> > > > > > Bradley Co., Tennessee?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >> > I have a James May who married Amanda Welch. They were
probably
> > > > > >> > married
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >> > Tennessee. I haven't found James on a census, but found
Amanda
> > in
> > > > 1880
> > > > > >> > living in Union, Izard Co., Arkansas. Her age is 36 so she
would
> > > > have
> > > > > >> been
> > > > > >> > born ca. 1844, in Tn.. I am guessing that James was probably
> > born
> > > > ca.
> > > > > >> > 1840-44. In the household with Amanda when the 1880 census
was
> > taken
> > > > > >> > is
> > > > > >> > Fanny W., age 18, a dau., b. in Al.; Mary J., age 16, a dau,
b.
> > in
> > > > > >> Alabama;
> > > > > >> > John H. May, age 13, a son, born in Tn.; John Henry May, age
1,
> > > > listed
> > > > > > as
> > > > > >> a
> > > > > >> > grandson, born in Arkansas. Also in this household is Martha
> > Hening,
> > > > > > age
> > > > > >> > 37, and Alvah Perkston,(Should be Pinkston) age 26. Both
Martha
> > and
> > > > > > Alva
> > > > > >> are listed as "other". The 1880 is the fartherest I have
gotten
> > back.
> > > > > >> > Can anyone tell me who parents of James May were?
> > > > > >> > Thanks.
> > > > > >> > Betty McCollum
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
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