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From: "Janice Neagle" <>
Subject: RE: [ARIZARD-L] Indian research - Donna and Janice
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:59:43 -0600
In-Reply-To: <004101c4f730$e05ae280$0c00a8c0@D5701Q51>

No, we don't have an auction house anymore. We did when we first started,
but we couldn't make any money at it. We do "live" auctions once in a while
now, but mostly my husband sells on E-bay.

Yes, Bud told you correctly about the Indian school outside of Arkansas
City. I'd love to go explore, but you can't get in. One our employees went
to school out there and her parents taught out there in the old days.

I have some Indian in me, but can't prove it, yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bernie Moore-Knowles [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Indian research - Donna and Janice

Well girls,

I thought about you Donna, when I saw that Janice was from Ark City. My old
stomping grounds! Listen girls - what was the name of the Indian school
that is there just at the state line? My mind is blank.

That last buying trip that I made to Ark City; a friend went with me. Both
of her parents had been "removed" to this Indian School as late as the 1940s
for their "education." Cyndy had grown up in Tahlequah; there in Cherokee
Co. and wanted to just see where it was that her mother and step-father had
been indoctrined into the White world - so, we made a detour and went to

As we drove through the gates; what we saw was pleasant enough, actually.
But, it was after we got onto the grounds of the school that we realized
that where we were was eerie. This was the place that her parents had
struggled to retain their Indian identities and the buildings and the
grounds reflected the blankness of it all. Not good. And I am sure that it
was not good when they were there.

A short distance from this school; also - there is a historical marker to
the side of the highway. We were curious, so we stopped to read what it had
to say. And this folks is the way that history was written in Oklahoma and
I am sure other Indian territories across our country.

The marker basically said that this was the place that one of the land runs
had been placed from. And that the land was formerly that of the Cherokee
Nation. After the run; the Nation was paid "x' amount of monies for their
excess lands..........meaning all lands not acquired by the White led run;
were then calculated and the Nation was paid for this excess.

My friend and I just stood there in disbelief.

The marker had been placed there; I want to say in the 1930s by a women's
group of some sort.

The fact is, folks - these excess lands were never paid for by the federal
government. That was our disbelief and as people with Indian blood and
students of Indian history...........we both knew better. But, here was a
historical marker placed on an Oklahoma highway and what it represented was
an untruth. Period.

Moral of this story?

"Don't always trust the words of the historical markers on our nation's
highways. Which is why that day that Cyndy and I began referring to them as
'hysterical markers!'"

Welcome Janice...............and you have an auction house? Ever have old
furniture come through your house? Do I need to make a buying trip back to
Ark City? Think I could load up and make it to the west coast with it all?

Donna? How's the Indian research coming along?

Bernie Moore-Knowles
Papa'aloa, Hawai'i

"Swaying palms in paradise........"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Faul" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [ARIZARD-L] Welcome New Listers!

> Hi Janice,
> Welcome to the list and you will have a great time in your research and
couldn't ask
> for a better list to be on than this one, I live next door to you, I live
in Newkirk Okla,
> What a small world...
> Donna
> Janice Neagle <> wrote:
> Hi, I'm fairly new, so I'll get in here. My name is Janice Neagle, I live
> in Arkansas City, KS. I was born and raised in Kansas. My husband and I
> own an auction company, Coyote Auction, and I am the Human Resource
> for Cowley College. I have one son, daughter-in-law, grandson,
> granddaughter, step-son, step-daughter, and two step granddaughters. I'm
> addicted to genealogy, however because I work full-time, I don't have as
> much time as I would like. You will also find, I am not very organized
> (yet). So please be patient with me if I ask the same questions of some of
> you more than once. My father was a Pryor(he died 30 years ago), and my
> mother was a Delk before she married. Her side of the family is why I'm on
> your list. She is related to the Delks, Raders, Woodcocks, Brays,
> Langstons, etc. They all lived around your area.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean Mayfield Cuevas [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: [ARIZARD-L] Welcome New Listers!
> Good Evening,
> I would like to extend a welcome to the new folks who have joined our
> and invite you to share a little about your family and who you are
> researching. Feel free to "make yourself at home" and let us hear from
> Jean Mayfield Cuevas
> List Mom
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