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From: "Bernie Moore-Knowles" <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Gross and Sinor - Krystal
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:55:04 -0700
References: <20040330190944.31727.qmail@web40612.mail.yahoo.com>


<<Other survivors include: two brothers, Eugene, Burr
Oak, and Charles Ritz, San Jacinto, Calif.; and a
sister Rachel Gross, Benzonia, Mich.>>

Ooooooh, now I get it!

Duh?

I think that you're right, Krystal. Blood sister to Finkey - wow, but who
is Rachel's hubby?

And Charles Ritz? Sure does sound like it was his surname and not middle
name, doesn't it? Half brother, maybe?

Sounds to me like Lela was married to Gross and her sister-in-law; Rachel
was a Finkey by birth. George Gross and Lela (divorce?) are parted and she
marries Rachel's brother?

Have I got it now, Krystal? You think?

Something kind of interesting here............

Gross and Lela married in Baxter Co. Don't you wonder what it was he was
doing in Arkansas in 1938? Marries Lela and heads back to
Michigan.............

You are so good at his detective work, my dear. Thanks a bunch.

Bernie Moore-Knowles
Phoenix, Arizona - Papa'aloa, Hawai'i


"I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
question my honesty." ........Will Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Krystal Londo" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Gross and Sinor - Krystal


>
> -I see what you are saying about Rachel, but if you
> look at the obituaries she is listed as a sister in
> law to Lela and a sister to Harold. I took that to
> mean his sister by blood. That is where my scenario is
> coming from. It is just a theory though. You know how
> our minds can go crazy though with this hobby.
> Although, I have to wonder if maybe shes a half sister
> to Harold. In his obituary, Harold has a brother
> named Charles Ritz. Is Ritz his last name or is it
> his middle name? If it is his last, then he's either
> a half bro or a step bro.
>
> I know what you mean about a head cold. I had one
> last week and I was so worried I was going to give it
> to my 5 month old. She did fine though. She is
> getting so big.
>
>
> Krystal
> -- Bernie Moore-Knowles <> wrote:
> > Krystal
> >
> > I am so sorry - am I brain dead or what? I see
> > exactly what you're talking
> > about now. I tell ya - give me a head cold and
> > don't even know my middle
> > name!
> >
> > Following you now.
> >
> > Now, you were proposing this Rachel Gross and how
> > she connects?
> >
> > My take on the "sister-in-law," Rachel Gross was
> > that MAYBE she still
> > referred to Rachel as a sister-in-law, even though
> > she was no longer married
> > to George Gross? Rachel being single and not
> > married?
> >
> > Or am I in a drug induced (Sudafed, you
> > all................) haze?
> >
> >
> > Bernie Moore-Knowles
> > Phoenix, Arizona - Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
> >
> >
> > "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White
> > blood for you to
> > question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Krystal Londo" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Gross and Sinor - Krystal
> >
> >
> > > Bern,
> > >
> > > I'm not talking about the head oh household in
> > that
> > > census. Lillie and George W are the parents.
> > George M
> > > is the son who is 16. That would be the one who
> > > married Lela and that would put his birthdate in
> > 1914
> > > or 1913 close to the same age as our Lela.
> > >
> > > Krystal
> > > --- Bernie Moore-Knowles <>
> > wrote:
> > > > Krystal
> > > >
> > > > I don't think 1930 census adds
> > up................
> > > >
> > > > Says that they were married twenty-two years in
> > > > 1930? Is this Lillie M. a
> > > > first wife of Gross'? I have in my records that
> > > > Lela and Gross were married
> > > > June 1938 - there in Baxter Co.
> > > >
> > > > This note from Vera, from earlier research:
> > > >
> > > > Newspaper dated June 17, 1938
> > > > MARRIED George M. Gross to Mrs. Lela Melton at
> > > > Mountain Home on Monday. It
> > > > says Mrs!
> > > >
> > > > So..............she married Frank Melton in
> > April
> > > > 1935 and Gross in June
> > > > 1938. I have the last newspaper article
> > regarding
> > > > her trial and it says:
> > > >
> > > > BAXTER BULLETIN, 27 MARCH 1936. "Mrs. Melton
> > Pleads
> > > > Guilty, Sentenced to
> > > > One Year."
> > > >
> > > > If my memory serves me correctly, Lela was given
> > > > term for days already
> > > > served. So, she may not have spent any
> > additional
> > > > time, following the March
> > > > 1936 judgement - as Melton was killed on
> > September
> > > > 29, 1935.
> > > >
> > > > In 1930; she was still a young girl and living
> > in
> > > > the home of her parents;
> > > > Joe Sinor and Mattie Smith:
> > > >
> > > > 1930 Baxter Co., Arkansas census:
> > > > SINOR, Joe 50 M head married first time at 29 AR
> > TN
> > > > TN
> > > > Mattie M. 51 F wife married first
> > time
> > > > at 30 MO MO NC
> > > > Lela Marie 15 F daughter AR MO MO
> > > > Arthur L. 13 M son AR AR MO
> > > > Lottie Ethel 11 F daughter AR AR MO
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know if Heritage has the 1930
> > Arkansas
> > > > census posted?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bernie Moore-Knowles
> > > > Phoenix, Arizona - Papa'aloa, Hawai'i
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough
> > White
> > > > blood for you to
> > > > question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Krystal Londo" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:20 PM
> > > > Subject: [ARIZARD-L] George M Gross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > It looks like Lea Sinor's second husband was
> > in
> > > > fact
> > > > > George M Gross. I think I found our George M
> > Gross
> > > > in
> > > > > the 1930 census. Looks like he and Lela were
> > the
> > > > same
> > > > > age. I guess the reason why Lela moved to
> > Michigan
> > > > was
> > > > > because George M Cross was from White Pigeon,
> > St
> > > > > Joseph COunty, Michigan.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1930 Federal Census Michigan St Joseph
> > > > County>White
> > > > > Pigeon> District 30 ED 75-30 Sheet 1B
> > Line
> > > > 60
> > > > >
> > > > > GROSS GEORGE W Head Male White 49
> > > > married
> > > > > 22 years Indiana Pennsylvania Tennessee
> > > > > Farmer
> > > > >
> > > > > LILLE M Wife Female
> > > > White
> > > > > 49 married 22 Years Indiana Indiana
> > > > > Indiana none
> > > > >
> > > > > GEORGE M Son Male
> > White
> > > > 16
> > > > > single Indiana Indiana
> > > > > Indiana Farm Hand
> > > > >
> > > > > MILLER NANCY A mother in law Female
> > White
> > > > 69
> > > > > widowed Indiana Ohio
> > > > Indiana
> > > > > none
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just thought I'd pass this along
> > > > >
> > > > > Krystal
> > > > >
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