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From: "Michael W. Condardo" <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L]Genealogical research - Michael
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:14:29 -0800
Why Bern...thats an easy one...just do what your ancestors did when it came
time to make stuffing...read the directions on the "Stove Top" box.
Foghorn Leghorn couldn't have said it better...I say, I say I'm still LOL.
HAPPY NEW YEAR...looking forward to another year of questions. Mike C.
At 12:46 PM 12/30/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I find all the previous researcher's work to be tools that contemporary
>researchers can be thankful for......ex: Goodspeed's, Pioneer Papers, Silas
>Turnbo, Dale Hanks, JJ Sams, etc.......but, they were humanly entered into
>and quite capable of mistakes, also. So, to me, nothing is etched in stone
>with their works. Great tools of work and thankful time saving data
>collections,......but, I just think that they made mistakes, too.
>By the way, does anyone know what the format was for Goodspeed's? I don't
>believe that I have ever known before.
>There is a collection of stories by a Messick from Baxter Co. that includes
>a minute excerpt on my Smothers and Sinor family and it is simply
>incorrect......close, but no cigar, for example. But, did I gather together
>and publish what this woman did? Not a chance, so all I can do is take her
>extra steps and try my darnest to gather together the correct data and go
>forward with my own research. Afterall, there could be the chance that I
>would never have even known that the Martha Smothers and James Sinor were
>even in Marion and Baxter Counties, without her research. Follow me? When
>I started out a couple of years ago, I had my grandmother's cedar chest with
>old photographs and two pieces of paper with pertinent data written on it.
>So, I am appreciative of her work.....don't misunderstand me. You have to
>admire the discipline that any historic and/or genealogical researcher
>applies to their work and let it be known that I have not attempted to
>provide the literary works that they have in the past (and present) for this
>region in Arkansas that we all research, myself. But as contemporary
>researchers, I think that we have to lend an ear to the possibility that any
>of them simply could be incorrect in parts.
>For example, could you even imagine the labor that was applied to Carroll
>Hayden's Cemetery Book? It is a gold mine and a valuable tool for all of
>us and the man only charges $25 or some such figure for the work? And, he's
>on the money 99.9 percent of the time. Or look at Betty McCollum's Down
>Memory Lane books? They are amazing biographies. Also I understand that on
>this List, Michael Walker has done some serious research himself and as been
>too shy to enlighten us. Mike?
>I am in agreement with Doug Leonard and his praises of the ability of this
>List to work together and scratch out data on our various families that will
>and should be a testament to good contemporary research. I honestly do not
>know of another List online that is as productive and successful as this
>one. I understand that researchers are varied in their guidelines, but with
>such a large a group as we have and make the connections that we
>do........well, sometimes it still amazes me. Doesn't it you?
>I afterall, ran into you, my cousin Cathey Orvis and a Holliman cousin on
>this List. Never would that have happened by postal mail or telephone, at
>least by my lazy efforts. Or goodness, Jean and Newt Blankenship! We
>connected online and I owe my obessive research to them. Maybe they need to
>pay my therapy session invoices. Just kidding, but my husband, Scott says
>that there are twelve step programs for people like me. If he only knew
>that I am not alone, right? LOL
>I keep recalling the sincere comment that Liv from this List, made months
>ago about how we contemporary researchers......or at least most of
>us.......don't know what it's like to sit for hours in a dusty storage
>facility or courthouse records and/or historic libraries and work for years
>literally and then have someone say, "Hey, can I have everything that you
>have?" I had to laugh out loud when Liv made the comment, because imagine
>being in her shoes, the lovely lady that she is. That is why I continue to
>throw out to anyone that has a post on the List any data that I have,
>correct or incorrect........because of the labor intensive efforts of people
>like Liv. I think of all that has been shared with me by others and I
>smile, seriously. I really think that the work that we contemporary
>researchers are applying will be a wonder to exercise in a generation from
>You made mention of your German ancestry........
>One of my close friends was raised in northern Iowa to second generation
>German parents. Her father was in his sixties when Darlene was born.
>Farmers. Darlene (b1949) does research on her families, also and has told
>me many times that her parents still spoke German as a first language in her
>home, while growing up in the 1950s and 1960s and that her father attended a
>rural school where only German was spoken and it was not until he was a
>young adult did he even learn English as a second language. I just thought
>it interesting to find that type of commitment to your home country in a
>rural setting and not a melting pot city (San Francisco, Los Angeles,
>etc.)......in the twentieth century, as you and I knew it growing up.
>You are so much more knowlegable than I on the southeastern United States in
>our research. When you sent me the recent data on the Mosers and
>Blankenships, I was in awe of what you had unearthed and kept it to file.
>The Potomac River? I had to laugh at the occurred thought, when you first
>approached the what seemed like obvious descrepancy.......but, your response
>did make sense. Interesting.......
>You are a thorough and enlightening resercher yourself, Mr. Moser.
>And as I asked before, who are the authors of Goodspeed's or should I know
>So, bottom line is this: I love working with the likes of you guys. And
>just to see if there is a soul that made it to the end of this lengthy
>charade.......can anyone tell me how to make dressing for turkey? I have to
>attempt this for the first time in my life, tomorrow.
>"I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
>question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael S Moser" <>
>Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 9:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Re: RUMINER / MOSER - Bernie
> > Bern-
> > Here is what I think...I've read Goodspeed's sketch before and just
> > dismissed the place of birth information for Jacob Sr. as being incorrect.
> > But there may be something to this information. To my knowledge, there is
> > no Potomac River or Potomac anything else in North Carolina for Jacob to
> > have been born in or on. His family was living in Lincoln County (now
> > Catawba Co.) North Carolina in 1820 (his date of birth that I obtained
> > Romona Jean Moser, his 2g granddaughter) near Lyle's Creek on the Catawba
> > River. Now, there is a populated place called Potomac, Montgomery County,
> > Maryland where Jacob could have been born IN and not ON. But there also
> > the Potomac River that flows through Maryland. Interestingly, Jacob Sr.'s
> > grandfather, again named Jacob, WAS born in Frederick County, Maryland.
> > Frederick County is adjacent to Montgomery County in Maryland and the
> > Potomac River does indeed flow through both counties. Jacob Sr.'s gr
> > grandfather, Leonard Moser (and his grandfather Jacob), lived in Frederick
> > County, Maryland from about 1740-1775 when they moved to NC. Jacob (Sr.)
> > being born about 1820/1821 makes the Potomac River seem unlikely but not
> > impossible. More likely, I think, is that he was born on the Catawba
> > in North Carolina. Might the author have confused Jacob's story about his
> > family members? Regardless, this is interesting information that I've not
> > considered before now (you keep me thinking and working my genealogy).
> > other thing, these were German-speaking people. English was not even
> > in their churches until about 1820. It is very likely that Jacob, Sr.
> > some German in the home and was poor in the English language (though one
> > might expect otherwise). Something might have gotten mixed up in his
> > biographical sketch due to his lack of command of the English language.
> > That's just a guess on my part but I believe it to be plausible.
> > The biographical sketch also records Jacob's surname as MOSIER. This, I
> > think, is another example of the author's words (spelling) and not
> > As far as I can tell, my direct line of Mosers from NC have always spelled
> > our surname without the "i". Lastly, the 1850 census indicates that Jacob
> > could neither read nor write in the English language. He may not have had
> > an opportunity to edit the sketch and the author recorded it as he
> > it to be. So, I intend to indicate that he was born in Lincoln County, NC
> > with some reference to the information in Goodspeed's. Also, I record his
> > date of birth as Mar 1820 with a notation about Goodspeed's and the census
> > which makes his d.o.b. closer to 1825.
> > Thanks for making me think again.
> > Michael
> > M^2
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bernie Moore-Knowles <>
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 9:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Re: RUMINER / MOSER - Bernice
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Got me. Here is where I got some of the data.......not that Goodspeed's
> > is
> > > the answer to it all, right? Maybe he wasn't exactly born IN the
> > > river.......maybe ON it? LOL
> > >
> > > Goodspeeds 1889:
> > > Jacob Mosier, Sr., was born on the Potomac River, in Lincoln County, N.
> > C.,
> > > in 1821. His father, Barnett M. Mosier, was also a native of that State,
> > his
> > > birth occurring in 1799, and was married there to Margaret, a daughter
> > > Corb. Gobble, their union taking place when he was eighteen years of
> > > In 1832 he removed with his family to Independence County, Ark., and
> > > purchased and enteredland there to the amount of 320 acres, which land
> > > was engaged in farming upto the time of his death, in 1864. His children
> > > are: Mary J., Allen B., George W., Henry A., Jacob and Jack. Jacob
> > > removed to Arkansas with his parents, and on his father's farm, in
> > > Independence County, he learned the details of farm work, which
> > > has received his attention up to the present time. He is one of the
> > leading
> > > husbandmen of this vicinity, and has 250 acres of well improved and well
> > > cultivated land. He was one of the pioneers of the State, and during its
> > > early history he carried the surveyor's chain through this section, this
> > > being some fifty years age. He is one of the hard-working men of Izard
> > > County, and owing to his many worthy characteristics, chief among which
> > may
> > > be mentioned his generosity and honesty, he is respected and esteemed by
> > > all. In 1854 he took a trip to California. He was married, in 1846, to
> > Miss
> > > Melissa A. Romenor, by whom he has a family of seven children: Mary J.,
> > > William H., Jacob, Charles M., Cordelia, Sarah A. and Marlba. Mr. Mosier
> > and
> > > his wife are members
> > > of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church, and he belongs to the I. O. O. F.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Bern
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