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From: "Vera Reeves" <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L]Genealogical research - Michael
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:14:01 -0700
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Bern, my first thought was now days a lot of people buy the dressing in a
box but I'm sure someone out there still makes their's from scratch. Hope
one of them can help you. First one I ever made I stuffed it and put it in
the oven, a few hours later I could smell this bird cooking and thought it
was about time to baste it. Opened the oven door and the oven was cold, I
hadn't even turned it on.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie Moore-Knowles" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L]Genealogical research - Michael


> Michael
>
> I find all the previous researcher's work to be tools that contemporary
> researchers can be thankful for......ex: Goodspeed's, Pioneer Papers,
Silas
> Turnbo, Dale Hanks, JJ Sams, etc.......but, they were humanly entered into
> and quite capable of mistakes, also. So, to me, nothing is etched in
stone
> with their works. Great tools of work and thankful time saving data
> collections,......but, I just think that they made mistakes, too.
>
> By the way, does anyone know what the format was for Goodspeed's? I
don't
> believe that I have ever known before.
>
> There is a collection of stories by a Messick from Baxter Co. that
includes
> a minute excerpt on my Smothers and Sinor family and it is simply
> incorrect......close, but no cigar, for example. But, did I gather
together
> and publish what this woman did? Not a chance, so all I can do is take
her
> extra steps and try my darnest to gather together the correct data and go
> forward with my own research. Afterall, there could be the chance that I
> would never have even known that the Martha Smothers and James Sinor were
> even in Marion and Baxter Counties, without her research. Follow me?
When
> I started out a couple of years ago, I had my grandmother's cedar chest
with
> old photographs and two pieces of paper with pertinent data written on it.
> So, I am appreciative of her work.....don't misunderstand me. You have to
> admire the discipline that any historic and/or genealogical researcher
> applies to their work and let it be known that I have not attempted to
> provide the literary works that they have in the past (and present) for
this
> region in Arkansas that we all research, myself. But as contemporary
> researchers, I think that we have to lend an ear to the possibility that
any
> of them simply could be incorrect in parts.
>
> For example, could you even imagine the labor that was applied to Carroll
> Hayden's Cemetery Book? It is a gold mine and a valuable tool for all of
> us and the man only charges $25 or some such figure for the work? And,
he's
> on the money 99.9 percent of the time. Or look at Betty McCollum's Down
> Memory Lane books? They are amazing biographies. Also I understand that
on
> this List, Michael Walker has done some serious research himself and as
been
> too shy to enlighten us. Mike?
>
> I am in agreement with Doug Leonard and his praises of the ability of this
> List to work together and scratch out data on our various families that
will
> and should be a testament to good contemporary research. I honestly do
not
> know of another List online that is as productive and successful as this
> one. I understand that researchers are varied in their guidelines, but
with
> such a large a group as we have and make the connections that we
> do........well, sometimes it still amazes me. Doesn't it you?
>
> I afterall, ran into you, my cousin Cathey Orvis and a Holliman cousin on
> this List. Never would that have happened by postal mail or telephone, at
> least by my lazy efforts. Or goodness, Jean and Newt Blankenship! We
> connected online and I owe my obessive research to them. Maybe they need
to
> pay my therapy session invoices. Just kidding, but my husband, Scott says
> that there are twelve step programs for people like me. If he only knew
> that I am not alone, right? LOL
>
> I keep recalling the sincere comment that Liv from this List, made months
> ago about how we contemporary researchers......or at least most of
> us.......don't know what it's like to sit for hours in a dusty storage
> facility or courthouse records and/or historic libraries and work for
years
> literally and then have someone say, "Hey, can I have everything that you
> have?" I had to laugh out loud when Liv made the comment, because imagine
> being in her shoes, the lovely lady that she is. That is why I continue
to
> throw out to anyone that has a post on the List any data that I have,
> correct or incorrect........because of the labor intensive efforts of
people
> like Liv. I think of all that has been shared with me by others and I
> smile, seriously. I really think that the work that we contemporary
> researchers are applying will be a wonder to exercise in a generation from
> now.
>
> You made mention of your German ancestry........
>
> One of my close friends was raised in northern Iowa to second generation
> German parents. Her father was in his sixties when Darlene was born.
> Farmers. Darlene (b1949) does research on her families, also and has told
> me many times that her parents still spoke German as a first language in
her
> home, while growing up in the 1950s and 1960s and that her father attended
a
> rural school where only German was spoken and it was not until he was a
> young adult did he even learn English as a second language. I just
thought
> it interesting to find that type of commitment to your home country in a
> rural setting and not a melting pot city (San Francisco, Los Angeles,
> etc.)......in the twentieth century, as you and I knew it growing up.
>
> You are so much more knowlegable than I on the southeastern United States
in
> our research. When you sent me the recent data on the Mosers and
> Blankenships, I was in awe of what you had unearthed and kept it to file.
> The Potomac River? I had to laugh at the occurred thought, when you first
> approached the what seemed like obvious descrepancy.......but, your
response
> did make sense. Interesting.......
>
> You are a thorough and enlightening resercher yourself, Mr. Moser.
>
> And as I asked before, who are the authors of Goodspeed's or should I know
> that already?
>
> So, bottom line is this: I love working with the likes of you guys. And
> just to see if there is a soul that made it to the end of this lengthy
> charade.......can anyone tell me how to make dressing for turkey? I have
to
> attempt this for the first time in my life, tomorrow.
>
> Anyone?
>
> Bern
>
> "I have Indian blood in me. I have just enough White blood for you to
> question my honesty." ........Will Rogers
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael S Moser" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Re: RUMINER / MOSER - Bernie
>
>
> > Bern-
> >
> > Here is what I think...I've read Goodspeed's sketch before and just
> > dismissed the place of birth information for Jacob Sr. as being
incorrect.
> > But there may be something to this information. To my knowledge, there
is
> > no Potomac River or Potomac anything else in North Carolina for Jacob to
> > have been born in or on. His family was living in Lincoln County (now
> > Catawba Co.) North Carolina in 1820 (his date of birth that I obtained
> from
> > Romona Jean Moser, his 2g granddaughter) near Lyle's Creek on the
Catawba
> > River. Now, there is a populated place called Potomac, Montgomery
County,
> > Maryland where Jacob could have been born IN and not ON. But there also
> is
> > the Potomac River that flows through Maryland. Interestingly, Jacob
Sr.'s
> > grandfather, again named Jacob, WAS born in Frederick County, Maryland.
> > Frederick County is adjacent to Montgomery County in Maryland and the
> > Potomac River does indeed flow through both counties. Jacob Sr.'s gr
> > grandfather, Leonard Moser (and his grandfather Jacob), lived in
Frederick
> > County, Maryland from about 1740-1775 when they moved to NC. Jacob
(Sr.)
> > being born about 1820/1821 makes the Potomac River seem unlikely but not
> > impossible. More likely, I think, is that he was born on the Catawba
> River
> > in North Carolina. Might the author have confused Jacob's story about
his
> > family members? Regardless, this is interesting information that I've
not
> > considered before now (you keep me thinking and working my genealogy).
> One
> > other thing, these were German-speaking people. English was not even
> spoken
> > in their churches until about 1820. It is very likely that Jacob, Sr.
> heard
> > some German in the home and was poor in the English language (though one
> > might expect otherwise). Something might have gotten mixed up in his
> > biographical sketch due to his lack of command of the English language.
> > That's just a guess on my part but I believe it to be plausible.
> >
> > The biographical sketch also records Jacob's surname as MOSIER. This, I
> > think, is another example of the author's words (spelling) and not
> Jacob's.
> > As far as I can tell, my direct line of Mosers from NC have always
spelled
> > our surname without the "i". Lastly, the 1850 census indicates that
Jacob
> > could neither read nor write in the English language. He may not have
had
> > an opportunity to edit the sketch and the author recorded it as he
> believed
> > it to be. So, I intend to indicate that he was born in Lincoln County,
NC
> > with some reference to the information in Goodspeed's. Also, I record
his
> > date of birth as Mar 1820 with a notation about Goodspeed's and the
census
> > which makes his d.o.b. closer to 1825.
> >
> > Thanks for making me think again.
> >
> > Michael
> > M^2
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bernie Moore-Knowles <>
> >
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 9:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Re: RUMINER / MOSER - Bernice
> >
> >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Got me. Here is where I got some of the data.......not that
Goodspeed's
> > is
> > > the answer to it all, right? Maybe he wasn't exactly born IN the
> > > river.......maybe ON it? LOL
> > >
> > > Goodspeeds 1889:
> > > Jacob Mosier, Sr., was born on the Potomac River, in Lincoln County,
N.
> > C.,
> > > in 1821. His father, Barnett M. Mosier, was also a native of that
State,
> > his
> > > birth occurring in 1799, and was married there to Margaret, a daughter
> of
> > > Corb. Gobble, their union taking place when he was eighteen years of
> age.
> > > In 1832 he removed with his family to Independence County, Ark., and
> > > purchased and enteredland there to the amount of 320 acres, which land
> he
> > > was engaged in farming upto the time of his death, in 1864. His
children
> > > are: Mary J., Allen B., George W., Henry A., Jacob and Jack. Jacob
> Mosier
> > > removed to Arkansas with his parents, and on his father's farm, in
> > > Independence County, he learned the details of farm work, which
> occupation
> > > has received his attention up to the present time. He is one of the
> > leading
> > > husbandmen of this vicinity, and has 250 acres of well improved and
well
> > > cultivated land. He was one of the pioneers of the State, and during
its
> > > early history he carried the surveyor's chain through this section,
this
> > > being some fifty years age. He is one of the hard-working men of Izard
> > > County, and owing to his many worthy characteristics, chief among
which
> > may
> > > be mentioned his generosity and honesty, he is respected and esteemed
by
> > > all. In 1854 he took a trip to California. He was married, in 1846, to
> > Miss
> > > Melissa A. Romenor, by whom he has a family of seven children: Mary
J.,
> > > William H., Jacob, Charles M., Cordelia, Sarah A. and Marlba. Mr.
Mosier
> > and
> > > his wife are members
> > > of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church, and he belongs to the I. O. O.
F.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Bern
> >
> >
> >
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> http://www.geocities.com/~fmsmith/census.html
> >
>
>
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