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From: Jean Mayfield Cuevas <>
Subject: Re: [ARIZARD-L] Re: Pierre Menard - Indian Agent/Jean ...TJ?????
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:16:20 -0500
At 12:55 PM 1/15/00 -0600, you wrote:
>I wonder if the, Pierre Menard, listed in the "Political Graveyard", who was
>governor of Illinois, the same Pierre Menard, indian agent? It might
>explain why the papers ended up in an Illinois library.
**Your question about Pierre Menard is a good one.
And found a write-up on him at this location: http://state.il.us/hpa/PIERRE.HTM
Not as detailed I could wish, perhaps someone can locate something better.
>I sent for the J.J. Sams manuscript also, and Lisa Baldassari was the one
>who helped me. I did have some problems, but she was very nice about helping
>to resolve them.
I wasn't trying to put Lisa down. Perhaps she just felt that my request
was something which was beyond her. I just believe that as the years go
on, they need to preserve what they have, in readable form, and since they
don't have the hand-written journal, they could certainly do a little
polishing up of what's there.
>One being that when I received the papers in the mail, some of the pages
>appeared to be missing, anyway I didn't have the number of pages that I paid
>for, after talking to someone else that had also obtained the papers, I
>found I should have had about twice as many pages as I had received. I
>emailed Lisa back and found, that they had missed copying the other pages,
>which they did right away and I got them that same week.
>But this still leaves me wondering if I managed to get all the pages, as
>some as you said, are almost black, some are very faded, either of which
>make them very hard to read. I am in the process of retyping the pages so
>that I don't have to try to decipher them each time I go back to look at
>them. Some of the pages were also duplicate pages. I can't help but think
>of the information that might be found on the pages that are missing of the
>manuscript, as, there are also references to missing pages, by the lady who
>typed it up.
** I put my papers in a notebook, and set it aside, because I had things
coming from a number of directions, and didn't count how many pages I
received, or what I was supposed to have. Do you mind if I ask how many
exactly should I have received? Perhaps T.J. might know, since she ordered
hers a good while back, from what I gathered.
Rosemary mentioned the idea of scanning this information into computer
files, and it would be a wonderful project for everyone who has the papers
to maybe work toward such a final project, for the sake of all the others
who don't have them. I had scanned some of the copies of the pages printed
years ago in the old Historian, and have them on file. If I can ever get
back to scanning, I will attempt to do more. Our computers have been
changed around so much, that I don't know which program to use anymore! We
have them networked together, and my husband's computer is the one from
which I would have to work, to scan and print.
>I also asked if they had any information on the Lady that transcribed the
>Sams manuscript, thinking that might give a lead as to where the original
>handwritten one might be, but they had no information on her. Lisa did say
>that the J. J. Sams manuscript was ," part", of a large collection that was
>donated by Dr. Ballenger, so maybe it would be a good idea to check and see
>just what was contained in the collection that Dr. Ballenger donated, maybe
>there is something else that could provide information on the inhabitants of
>Izard Co. or the region. If someone hasn't allready done so.
** Does anyone know anything about Dr. Ballenger? Who he was, and why he
had the original notebook? I, too, would find it interesting to know what
else he donated to the Newberry Libarary.
>I emailed the library in Checotah, Oklahoma, and asked if they might have
>any information on the lady, Miss Clara Davis(or the date she transcribed
>and typed the , Sams papers) but have never received a reply from them and
>it has been months! I thought she might possibly have belonged to a
>Historical Society there, or Genealogical Society.
** What county is it in? Perhaps we could contact someone on the US GenWeb
for that county and they could check for us? Is it in Muskogee County?
>Any ideas on what to try next? Those missing pages could be of help to all
>of us, if we could locate the original. But that could also be an impossible
>It was well worth the trouble I had in getting the copies, as it contained
>some valuable information on the Culp's and Jefferys, among others of Izard
>County. A lot of good stories to read!
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