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From: "Peggy Baldwin" <>
Subject: [APG] Fw: Ancestry, Family History Library Situation
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:33:24 -0700


Do you mean IP range? It's typical for vendors to provide online services to
libraries and let people using their
service on automatically based on the IP address range from that library. IP
addresses are owned by the library, not by
the vendor. The vendor just sets their system to recognize the IP address of
a computer on the system and allow
automatic logon.

You should still be able to get on Ancestry, from any place, including the
Family History Library or Centers,
using your own password.

I'll also point out that almost all libraries are non-profit. That is not to
say that the FHL or FHCs shouldn't be
cut a deal. But, Ancestry would go broke quickly if they extended free
access to all non-profits that now pay
for access.

Frankly, $1700 a year, based on what I pay for other online subscriptions,
in my library is very, very cheap.

Peggy Baldwin, MLS
Family Passages LLC
www.family-passages.com

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James W. Petty" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [APG] Ancestry, Family History Library Situation
>
>
>>I have been speaking with people in the Family History Library
>>administration, and with local professional researchers about the
>>Ancestry – Family History Library debacle, and have learned a few things
>>others may not be aware of. When the Family History begins using an
>>extremely reduced form of Ancestry.com on April 2nd, patrons, including
>>professional researchers will not be able to access their own
>>subscriptions of Ancestry.com on computers used within LDS Church
>>buildings. Ancestry has assigned an ISPN address to the LDS Church in
>>general, which includes the Family History Library, all Church
>>administration buildings around Temple Square in Salt Lake City, and all
>>LDS chapels where Family History Centers are located (including church
>>owned schools like BYU), causing the computers detected as operating at
>>those places to automatically log on to the LDS ISPN. Anyone doing
>>research at any of these facilities desiring to access Ancestry.com will
>>have to go away from the buildings to access it with their own laptop
>>computers, or go to public libraries that carry Ancestry.com, or wait
>>until they go home to their desktop computers. This is a situation that
>>Ancestry set up, and the Family History Library has no control over it.
>>
>> This seems to be in conflict with the agreement that Ancestry.com has
>> made with all of us who have purchased subscriptions of Ancestry.com for
>> which we were told we could access anywhere simply by logging in.
>> Ancestry.com has addressed this forum explaining how they have given so
>> much in this deal with the LDS Church, but receive so little in return.
>> If any of you know the cost for advertising on the Internet in this day
>> and age, you understand the tremendous value Ancestry received working
>> with the Family History Library. All they want now is a subscription fee
>> for each Family History Center under the direction of the Family History
>> Library equivalent to the subscription required from public libraries. I’m
>> told this subscription rate (for an incomplete package) is approximately
>> $1700 per year. Multiply that by 3500 Family History Centers and the
>> cost is just under $Six Million Dollars per year.
>>
>> I’m not a tax attorney, but since the Family History Library is a
>> division of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is a
>> public charity. Shouldn’t Ancestry.com, a $100 million dollar per year
>> corporation, by their agreement to provide their subscription to the
>> Church for free each year, be able to write that full amount off as a
>> charitable donation each year? And still be able to keep that tremendous
>> advantage of free advertising in 3500 libraries across the globe?
>>
>> I think we need to contact Ancestry with our concerns on this topic.
>>
>> Sincerely Yours,
>>
>>
>> James W. Petty, AG®, CGSM, B.A. (History), B.S. (Genealogy)
>> Ancestors are the People of History. Do you know who yours are?
>> Let the Professionals at HEIRLINES Family History & Genealogy find your
>> Ancestry!
>> 1-800-570-4049 ▪ www.heirlines.com ▪ PO Box 893 ▪ Salt Lake City, UT
>> 84110
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