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From: "Richard A. Pence" <>
Subject: Re: [APG] Why we don't find everyone in the Social SecurityDeathIndex
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:29:37 -0500
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Whether a person applies for or receives SS benefits has no bearing on
his/her name appearing in the SSDI. I'll repeat:

There are only these four conditions that must be met for a name to appear
in the SSDI.

1. The person must be deceased (although some living persons sometimes
mistakenly are listed).

2. The person must have had a Social Security number.

3. Someone - anyone - must have reported the death to the SS Administration.

4. A Social Security Administration employee must have correctly entered the
name in the SSA's computerized database.

There seem not to be any policies or rules besides the above.

>From what information you gave, I would surmised that (a) your mother
applied for and received her Social Security card while in another
jurisdiction and (b) either her death was not reported to SSA or someone
there overlooked it.

One other possibility is that she is entered in the database, but the entry
is incorrect and thus the entry can' be easily found. Would you care to
provide her name and SS number so this possibility could be checked by the


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [APG] Why we don't find everyone in the Social Security

> In a message dated 1/14/2007 3:19:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> writes:
> My mother was a school teacher. She died in 2005 and is not on the
> SSDI. She received SS benefits and Teachers Retirement checks. Her SS
> # was "different" -- not numbers like others from our state. Can
> someone explain her situation to me, please.
> Jean-
> State and local government employees including public school teachers may
> or
> may not be covered under Social Security. If your mother's number is
> "different" it may be that it isn't an SS number but rather a state/local
> government pension account number. All SS numbers are a series of three
> digits
> followed by two digits and then followed by 4 digits. The first three
> are the area
> numbers which represent the state in which in the SS card was first
> issued.
> If your mom wasn't covered under SS it is possible she was receiving SS
> benefits on her husband's account and that is why the number looks
> different--it
> might not be hers. Also--in addition to the SS number 000 00 0000 there
> is a
> claim number assigned when benefits are payable. The wage earner is
> assigned the letter A, the wife B, any children C, widow D, young widow
> with
> children E. There are also other designations for surviving divorced
> wife, etc. So
> perhaps instead of an SS number you were looking at a claim number? 000
> 00
> 0000A for instance.
> Joan
> .
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